1994 BLB Amateur Draft

[Clay]

You quoted yourself and said, "Like you said." You're talking to yourself again gramps.

I agree with Jistic

...I'd like to point out that I'm probably the worst drafter in the league.

I agree with Jistic

I just hope everyone's got a plan or strategy. Even if it doesn't work, you should know what you're attempting to do.

Honestly, I don't think most of the GMs here really plan their moves. Not saying there's anything really wrong with that. If this is more recreational for you, then cool. For others, it's much more than that.

I disagree with Carlos (kinda)... I think most of the GM's have a type more than a strategy. For example, I take left-handed hitters with high speed and gap.... and I tend to lean toward pitchers with high GB% regardless of their other skills. That's my type.

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[Jake]

I just hope everyone's got a plan or strategy. Even if it doesn't work, you should know what you're attempting to do.

In all seriousness, I agree with this, but I don't think it applies to the draft. IMO it's taking the best talent available - or, I should say, best value available - with maybe a small concession or two if you have a beast who's young at that position or numerous prospects. With players being years away from their BLB debut, and the risks that they ever even make it, it doesn't make sense to draft for need (in my opinion).

[liquidcrash]

While we're all talking about how awesome of drafters we are, I'd like to point out that I'm probably the worst drafter in the league. I think I've maybe closer make the all star game. I can pick out the top 100's pretty consistently but the doesn't always translate.

I've had a TON of 1st round busts too. Lately it's gotten better but I look back at some of my drafts and seriously don't know what I was thinking.

Don't try to steal that crown from me just yet. In my history the only player I've drafted who became an all star for my team was Hector Castre, who made it one time. The list of busts from my team is staggering. I honestly think we could have left scouting off and I still would have drafted just as poorly.

[Ryan]

rub Martinez is coming for you, Clown.

[Jake]

No worries, you're doing just fine. Stay the course.

rub Martinez is coming for you, Clown.

[Ryan]

How do you plan on last place?

No worries, you're doing just fine. Stay the course.

[Carlos]

How do you plan on last place?

By having a group of your young players suddenly lose talent between seasons.

[Jake]

I just hope everyone's got a plan or strategy. Even if it doesn't work, you should know what you're attempting to do.

Honestly, I don't think most of the GMs here really plan their moves. Not saying there's anything really wrong with that. If this is more recreational for you, then cool. For others, it's much more than that.

How do you plan on last place?

[Carlos]

I just hope everyone's got a plan or strategy. Even if it doesn't work, you should know what you're attempting to do.

Honestly, I don't think most of the GMs here really plan their moves. Not saying there's anything really wrong with that. If this is more recreational for you, then cool. For others, it's much more than that.

[Jistic]

While we're all talking about how awesome of drafters we are, I'd like to point out that I'm probably the worst drafter in the league. I think I've maybe closer make the all star game. I can pick out the top 100's pretty consistently but the doesn't always translate.

I've had a TON of 1st round busts too. Lately it's gotten better but I look back at some of my drafts and seriously don't know what I was thinking.

[Jistic]

Looking at the only part working in Pawtucket, the starting rotation. Pretty decent mix on draft rounds:

Manny Ocampo- 6th, 8pk - PAW
Ignado Snchez- 1st, 9pk - WIL
Ral Guzmn- 9th, 22pk- PHI
Sadao Yoshino- 5th, 10pk- DAL
Don Richmond- 1st, 22pk- LOS
Tommy Lang- inaugural draft so we wont count him.

Like you said, everyone had they're own ideas.

You quoted yourself and said, "Like you said." You're talking to yourself again gramps.

[Clay]

That is BS. I consistently get BLB contributors in 3+ rounds. My first BLB draft was '84. I've have at least 10 players that were drafted in the 4th round or later that are on BLB rosters right now.

1984 4.BAL:Carlos Pena (MR)-Baltimore
1984 8.BAL: Jeremiah Alexander (C)-Pawtucket
1986 5.BAL: Zack Murphy (MR)-Mississippi
1986 7.BAL: Raul Reyes (MR)- Davenport
1987 7.BAL: Joaquin Martinez (MR/SP)-Maine
1988 4.BAL: Pleun Schuilenberg (MR)- Hyundai
1988 7.BAL: Dani Salcido (SP)-Baltimore
1988 9.BAL: Dave Lock (MR)-Dallas
1990:4.BAL: Don Morgan (OF)-Denver
1990:5.BAL: Brad Antell (SS)-Baltimore
1991:5.BAL: Franklin Cruz(MR)-Washington

Those are only the major contributors that have been drafted and that's only Baltimore. There are even more shrewd drafting GM's that I'm sure do better than I do.

You've convinced yourself that the only way to get players is to draft early and often. That's fine, its a strategy that has worked well for you. However, it isn't the only successful way to draft in this league.

Zzzzzzzzzz contributors. There's not a legit all-star in that group. Sure everyone gets a MR or 3rd OF here and there, but stars are in the early rounds.

That being said, you couldn't be more wrong on my "strategy". I've said for 10 seasons that you build with your high picks (1st three rounds) and by trading (usually top prospects). Even if you call LA's win last year a win with Free Agents, it was really on the back of his high drafted players.

I'll wait for someone to float in and turn this into a "Clay's arrogant thread" but I call it like I see it. And while I've only had an upper-echelon team for about a third of our history, in the feeder league era I feel its a reality of how you have to build.

[funclown]

You realize, of course, that most of your examples are from back when the scouting of the draft pool varied wildly from team to team. Look at the draft discussion threads these days and compare them with the ones from the old days - all the same players are on everyone's short lists and draft boards these days so finding value beyond the 3rd round is near impossible unless someone just randomly booms. But I do agree with you that if you had good scouting and knew what to look for, you could get late round value back in the day. But not anymore.

It seems everyone's scouts are either LEGENDS or EXCELLENT. Has this always been the case where its been this level?

[funclown]

Just something from the old days of OOTP. A successful draft year over year.

%= Makes it at the major league level.

First Round: 100%. Like to get your impact here two out of three years, but MUST contribute to the majors.

Second Round: 75%. Impact from this round one out of every 4 years.

Third/ Fourth Round 50%. Any impact players from here on out is a bonus.

5th thru 10th: 17%. Basically you hope one player in these rounds makes it.


I was going to write up the history of Pawtucket first rounders just haven't had the time. Had some really good hits to along with some horrible ones.

Looking at the only part working in Pawtucket, the starting rotation. Pretty decent mix on draft rounds:

Manny Ocampo- 6th, 8pk - PAW
Ignado Snchez- 1st, 9pk - WIL
Ral Guzmn- 9th, 22pk- PHI
Sadao Yoshino- 5th, 10pk- DAL
Don Richmond- 1st, 22pk- LOS
Tommy Lang- inaugural draft so we wont count him.

Like you said, everyone had they're own ideas.

[Dave]

That is BS. I consistently get BLB contributors in 3+ rounds. My first BLB draft was '84. I've have at least 10 players that were drafted in the 4th round or later that are on BLB rosters right now.

1984 4.BAL:Carlos Pena (MR)-Baltimore
1984 8.BAL: Jeremiah Alexander (C)-Pawtucket
1986 5.BAL: Zack Murphy (MR)-Mississippi
1986 7.BAL: Raul Reyes (MR)- Davenport
1987 7.BAL: Joaquin Martinez (MR/SP)-Maine
1988 4.BAL: Pleun Schuilenberg (MR)- Hyundai
1988 7.BAL: Dani Salcido (SP)-Baltimore
1988 9.BAL: Dave Lock (MR)-Dallas
1990:4.BAL: Don Morgan (OF)-Denver
1990:5.BAL: Brad Antell (SS)-Baltimore
1991:5.BAL: Franklin Cruz(MR)-Washington

Those are only the major contributors that have been drafted and that's only Baltimore. There are even more shrewd drafting GM's that I'm sure do better than I do.

You've convinced yourself that the only way to get players is to draft early and often. That's fine, its a strategy that has worked well for you. However, it isn't the only successful way to draft in this league.

You realize, of course, that most of your examples are from back when the scouting of the draft pool varied wildly from team to team. Look at the draft discussion threads these days and compare them with the ones from the old days - all the same players are on everyone's short lists and draft boards these days so finding value beyond the 3rd round is near impossible unless someone just randomly booms. But I do agree with you that if you had good scouting and knew what to look for, you could get late round value back in the day. But not anymore.