2016 Brewmaster's 1 SIM Complete - Next SIM Sun AM

[Z]

When I get home, I'll take a look and let you know.

Thanks.

I'm just curious about it.

I've been running Maine for 22 seasons. We carried a positive balance in 20 of them. Our worst financial year resulted in a negative-$1.3 million balance.

This part of the financial landscape we're discussing is unfamiliar territory to me.

[Delandis]

What I mean is there doesn't seem to be any consequence for trading for salaries above your budget.

I would think at some point it catches up with you, but I don't see it happening to teams.

Maybe I'm just not good at thinking about team accounting.

I don't understand how a team can start a season with negative money in the bank and still find a way to increase the amount of money they're spending. It doesn't make sense to me.

Yea Brad is right.

If Pawtucket had lost in the Pitt series, he'd probably be out of 6-9MM in revenue.

[funclown]

How does Pittsburgh pull it off multiple years in a row? Are you suggesting that franchise is in for a painful crossroads financially in the near future?

yes, but as stated above he will probably move most of his painful pieces at some point and only experience short term pain.

pawtucket pain is losing Haraguchi and a decent arm. with that....gotta have players who can fill in. im lucky on one account. not so much with replacing Haraguchi

[Ryan]

When I get home, I'll take a look and let you know.

Can you leave now? This is a pretty good topic.

[Ryan]

How does Pittsburgh pull it off multiple years in a row? Are you suggesting that franchise is in for a painful crossroads financially in the near future?

Potentially. You're basically borrowing from current/future seasons revenue or earning ability.

[BradZ]

How does Pittsburgh pull it off multiple years in a row? Are you suggesting that franchise is in for a painful crossroads financially in the near future?

When I get home, I'll take a look and let you know.

[Z]

It happened to me. I traded away Morales, Sanchez, etc prior to this season because I had overextended myself in prior years.

It's the owner's choice to do deficit spending by way of trade. There is no get out of jail free card anymore.

How does Pittsburgh pull it off multiple years in a row? Are you suggesting that franchise is in for a painful crossroads financially in the near future?

[funclown]

I would think at some point it catches up with you, but I don't see it happening to teams.

Maybe I'm just not good at thinking about team accounting.

generally the active teams can find ways to shed salary. ironically via trading with the rebuilding teams. pitt and indy as an example of spending. now i know Mike, he will turn over his roster cuz if you don't then eventually you end up losing everyone to free agency. (See Syracuse 14 & 15)

[Delandis]

What I mean is there doesn't seem to be any consequence for trading for salaries above your budget.

I would think at some point it catches up with you, but I don't see it happening to teams.

Maybe I'm just not good at thinking about team accounting.

I don't understand how a team can start a season with negative money in the bank and still find a way to increase the amount of money they're spending. It doesn't make sense to me.

I think we discussed trading salaries that put teams into a negative balance in a proposal that someone (maybe Pat) brought up.

It was unceremoniously swatted down.

[BradZ]

What I mean is there doesn't seem to be any consequence for trading for salaries above your budget.

I would think at some point it catches up with you, but I don't see it happening to teams.

It happened to me. I traded away Morales, Sanchez, etc prior to this season because I had overextended myself in prior years.

It's the owner's choice to do deficit spending by way of trade. There is no get out of jail free card anymore.

[Ryan]

What I mean is there doesn't seem to be any consequence for trading for salaries above your budget.

I would think at some point it catches up with you, but I don't see it happening to teams.

Maybe I'm just not good at thinking about team accounting.

I don't understand how a team can start a season with negative money in the bank and still find a way to increase the amount of money they're spending. It doesn't make sense to me.

Pretty sure it happened to me last off season, and it's happening again because of the trades I made that pushed me into the red.

So, per my understanding, if I had finished the season in the red $10MM, but made 10MM in playoff revenue, I'd come out clean. Even, but clean.

That didn't happen this year. In fact, I should have sold, but we decided to play to our potential at the wrong time.

And it will have an impact going forward, because it's seen as a deficit, so it will affect what I have to spend this off season.

[Z]

No.

I'm saying he was able to increase 2016 payroll based on actual 2016 revenue despite a negative 2015 balance. Budgets don't mean anything as we allow owners to trade for salaries above our budgets.

He just made a shitload of playoff money, and was able to cover the increase in payroll.

What I mean is there doesn't seem to be any consequence for trading for salaries above your budget.

I would think at some point it catches up with you, but I don't see it happening to teams.

Maybe I'm just not good at thinking about team accounting.

I don't understand how a team can start a season with negative money in the bank and still find a way to increase the amount of money they're spending. It doesn't make sense to me.

[Delandis]

Delandis just said it. lol.

I like numbers.

[funclown]

No.

I'm saying he was able to increase 2016 payroll based on actual 2016 revenue despite a negative 2015 balance. Budgets don't mean anything as we allow owners to trade for salaries above our budgets.

He just made a shitload of playoff money, and was able to cover the increase in payroll.

Delandis just said it. lol.

And if you noticed ALL my players were acquire by trade. Yes, it was a small gamble thinking we'd be able to cover it. Turns out we were -2 million short.

[Delandis]

Are you saying that he was able to increase his 2016 payroll despite a negative 2015 balance because of projected 2016 profits?

No.

I'm saying he was able to increase 2016 payroll based on actual 2016 revenue despite a negative 2015 balance. Budgets don't mean anything as we allow owners to trade for salaries above our budgets.

He just made a shitload of playoff money, and was able to cover the increase in payroll.