1990 Awards PIMP Thread

[Matt]

That's bringing the "Stats Pain"!

[Jake]

"Why are you the way that you are? Honestly, every time I try to do something fun... or exciting, you make it not that way. I hate... so much about the things that you choose to be."

[Lintyfresh85]

Well, if this is all I need to know to be informed for the awards voting season the case being made isn’t actually that strong (that Wilkerson deserves the Pale Ale over Carlton).

1) VORP - Yes Wilkerson leads the IL in Pitcher VORP over Carlton heading into the final week . . . by 0.3 points. That’s not terribly statistically significant. When you dig a little deeper it becomes even less so when you realize that the lead is mostly based on the fact that Wilkerson has thrown approx 20 more innings than Carlton. Ah, but Carlton is less valuable because he can’t go as deep into games you say? Well, actually the difference is mostly attributed to the three extra games Wilkerson has started (30 - 27). Carlton actually averages almost the same number of innings per start as Wilkerson (Carlton - 6.5 vs Wilkerson - 6.6).

2) Wins - Wins are good, but in this advanced age of statistical analysis it’s a bit underwhelming to hold up 17 wins against 16 wins as one of the cornerstones for supporting Wilkerson. There are a lot of different factors that go into pitcher Win totals that are outside of a pitcher’s control, so an advantage in wins would need to be significant to be relevant IMO (not to mention the 3 extra starts it’s taken for Wilkerson to accumulate that 1 win advantage).

3) K’s - K’s are good. It’s one of the only ways a pitcher can truly control the action on the field. Nothing bad can really happen when the opponent can’t put the ball in play. Wilkerson has an advantage here for sure. He’s a strikeout pitcher and is beloved because of that fact (though his K/9 number is down quite a bit from the last two seasons, 8.56). Carlton isn’t really a slouch in this dept either (7.15 K/9), but Wilkerson does hold an advantage here, but it’s not dominatingly so like it was in the seasons of 11 K/9 that we’ve seen Wilkerson produce.

4) Really, HR/9? This is the 4th cornerstone stat upon which this argument’s foundation is built? This might be the most significant indictment of them all. This seems to be a reach to pull a stat in which Wilkerson has the advantage.

5) Then there’s the sneaky inclusion of the missing “)”, for shame.

I’m still open to further discussion, but at this point you haven’t sold me. Perhaps we could discuss ERA+ since Carlton has such an advantage playing in a pitcher’s park? Maybe we could take a look at ERC? Now that the utility is working these figures should be easy enough to find.

Now for the inclusion of the universal symbol of “this is not mean spirited, just talking baseball”: Sorry (check)Mate!

"Why are you the way that you are? Honestly, every time I try to do something fun... or exciting, you make it not that way. I hate... so much about the things that you choose to be."

[Delandis]

: Sorry (check)Mate!

Clay? Have you been logging in as Brad again?

[BradZ]

Conan Wilkerson

63.0 VORP - 1st in IL (Better than Carlton)
17 wins - 2nd in IL (Better than Carlton)
188 K's - 3rd in IL (Better than Carlton)
0.41 HR/9 - 2nd in IL (Better than Carlton)

That's all you need to know.

Well, if this is all I need to know to be informed for the awards voting season the case being made isn’t actually that strong (that Wilkerson deserves the Pale Ale over Carlton).

1) VORP - Yes Wilkerson leads the IL in Pitcher VORP over Carlton heading into the final week . . . by 0.3 points. That’s not terribly statistically significant. When you dig a little deeper it becomes even less so when you realize that the lead is mostly based on the fact that Wilkerson has thrown approx 20 more innings than Carlton. Ah, but Carlton is less valuable because he can’t go as deep into games you say? Well, actually the difference is mostly attributed to the three extra games Wilkerson has started (30 - 27). Carlton actually averages almost the same number of innings per start as Wilkerson (Carlton - 6.5 vs Wilkerson - 6.6).

2) Wins - Wins are good, but in this advanced age of statistical analysis it’s a bit underwhelming to hold up 17 wins against 16 wins as one of the cornerstones for supporting Wilkerson. There are a lot of different factors that go into pitcher Win totals that are outside of a pitcher’s control, so an advantage in wins would need to be significant to be relevant IMO (not to mention the 3 extra starts it’s taken for Wilkerson to accumulate that 1 win advantage).

3) K’s - K’s are good. It’s one of the only ways a pitcher can truly control the action on the field. Nothing bad can really happen when the opponent can’t put the ball in play. Wilkerson has an advantage here for sure. He’s a strikeout pitcher and is beloved because of that fact (though his K/9 number is down quite a bit from the last two seasons, 8.56). Carlton isn’t really a slouch in this dept either (7.15 K/9), but Wilkerson does hold an advantage here, but it’s not dominatingly so like it was in the seasons of 11 K/9 that we’ve seen Wilkerson produce.

4) Really, HR/9? This is the 4th cornerstone stat upon which this argument’s foundation is built? This might be the most significant indictment of them all. This seems to be a reach to pull a stat in which Wilkerson has the advantage.

5) Then there’s the sneaky inclusion of the missing “)”, for shame.

I’m still open to further discussion, but at this point you haven’t sold me. Perhaps we could discuss ERA+ since Carlton has such an advantage playing in a pitcher’s park? Maybe we could take a look at ERC? Now that the utility is working these figures should be easy enough to find.

Now for the inclusion of the universal symbol of “this is not mean spirited, just talking baseball”: Sorry (check)Mate!

[Carlos]

Conan Wilkerson

63.0 VORP - 1st in IL (Better than Carlton)
17 wins - 2nd in IL (Better than Carlton)
188 K's - 3rd in IL (Better than Carlton)
0.41 HR/9 - 2nd in IL (Better than Carlton

That's all you need to know.

Your reluctance to provide a closed bracket at the end of your side note makes me believe that Wilkerson cares very little for sentence structure (Carlton does..I think).

[Lintyfresh85]

Conan Wilkerson

63.0 VORP - 1st in IL (Better than Carlton)
17 wins - 2nd in IL (Better than Carlton)
188 K's - 3rd in IL (Better than Carlton)
0.41 HR/9 - 2nd in IL (Better than Carlton)

That's all you need to know.

[Delandis]

IL Pale Ale Candidate


SP-Juan Jose Garcia - Player Page

15-8, 3.46 ERA, 66.7% QS
#4 in VORP

I know he won't win, but maybe he gets a few 2nd or 3rd place votes based on the fact that he performs well as a right hander in the most lefty friendly park in the BLB.

[Pat]

Martin Carlton for Pale Ale.
15-3, 2.09 ERA, .96 WHIP, 168 IP, 134 H, 132 K, 28 BB
#1 in VORP
#1 in ERA
#1 in WHIP
Guy is easily the best SP in the IL right now. Only argument against him is his lower innings total, but it's not his fault I have used a six-man rotation all year. He has an 89% quality start, while his competitor Conan Wilkerson, is at 76%. The Bats are 20-6 when Carlton starts, while the Kodiaks are 16-13 when Wilkerson starts. When Carlton is on the mound, you just assume it's a win.

Joe Alveraz for Last Call Relief.
5-4, 33 SV, 2.09 ERA, 1.00 WHIP, 69 IP, 52 H, 35 K, 17 BB
#4 in ERA (#2 for RPs with 22+ saves)
#4 in Saves
#5 in VORP (#2 for RPs with 22+ saves)
#3 in WHIP (#2 for closers)
He is no Bayer, but Alveraz is (arguably) having the second best season for all IL RPs. You could also argue that Bayer is so good, that there shouldn't be a second or third place for the award.

Miguel Angel Padilla for Stout Slugger.
.291 AVG, .922 OPS, 34 2B, 38 HR, 125 RBI, 105 R, 319 TB
#5 in OPS
#6 in VORP
#2 in ISO
#3 in XBH
#2 in TB
#2 in HR
#3 in RBI
#4 in R
The other leading candidates, Loren Wallace (1.123/.842), Mel Woodbury (1.004/.939) and Johnny Buzzell (.973/.958), all hit in hitter-friendly parks. Miguel Angel Padilla hits in a very nutural park, but is the only member of the leading candidates to hit worse at home, (.886/957). Not sure how much that matters folks but I think it's worth considering.

Derek Tucker for Refreshing New Brew.
9-8, 3.85 ERA, 1.17 WHIP, 25 G, 147 IP, 119 H, 147 K, 54 BB
#2 in VORP
#1 in W (tie with Pagan)
#2 in K
#1 in WHIP
Right now, I think he is having the 2nd best season, behind Wilmington's Hector Pagan. Their numbers are however very close and I think Tucker could steal the award down the stretch.

[Spectre]

Jerry Ferrell: 16-3, 1.18 WHIP for 2nd place in the Pale Ale :)

[Jistic]

Looks like he faded a bit. He sucks!

The day will come when he will destroy you.

[funclown]

Hack Wells for ROTY....that's about all I got.

Looks like he faded a bit. He sucks!

[Lintyfresh85]

IL Refreshing New Brew


RP - Hector Sanchez

23 G, 0-1, 3 SV, 2.00 ERA, 1.00 WHIP, 28/7 K/BB, 9.33 K/9, 2.33 BB/9, 10.1 VORP

Plus, have you seen his face? Dude has to shave every single day so he doesn't transform into the Wolfman.

[Delandis]

IL Rookie of the Year Candidate


OF- Coy McPherson - Player Page

.345/.378/.553
11 doubles
T-1st among IL rookies in triples (6), but only 197 AB
T-1st among IL rookies in steals (15)
2nd in IL rookie VORP

IL Rookie of the Year Candidate


1B-Shaun Newsome- Player Page

.338/.362/.416,
20 doubles, 36 RBI

[umd]

2B Chuck Durham for ROY 5 HR 48 RBI .305/.344/.443

http://www.simgamingnetwork.com/blb/...ayer_7728.html