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  • Carlos
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    Originally posted by Clay View Post
    My counter to that would be isn't playing CF different from RF? RF different from LF? I mean, shouldn't it be by position? Won't CFers tend to have a better range? Corner OFers have different changes and assists? I think when you're going strictly on equations, it almost has to be my position.
    Yes this too. I guess I feel it should look at all of it.

    Rather than saying: This guy is the best RF because he did this at the position and this guy is the best CF because he did that at the position, I'd like to see the game say: Well, this guy was the second best RF and what he did there was clearly much better than what the best CF did.

    But, I don't really complain much because I understand your argument.

    There's also the clever little trick the game plays by making guys more suited for one position in the game. I know it's not easy to tell a LF in the Majors to play RF, but it's much more limiting to do that in OOTP. There is a bit of awkwardness with how it rates OF ratings.

    And that goes into guys with great baserunning speed not having range in CF. Or great CFers being unable to play RF or LF.
    Last edited by Carlos; 05-27-2010, 02:25 PM.

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  • Clay
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    My counter to that would be isn't playing CF different from RF? RF different from LF? I mean, shouldn't it be by position? Won't CFers tend to have a better range? Corner OFers have different changes and assists? I think when you're going strictly on equations, it almost has to be my position.

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  • Carlos
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    I just don't like how OFs can win the award for playing different positions in the OF. It should pick the top 3 OFs and let it be.

    That's just my opinion, but I think it's handled poorly as is because it gives credit to players that might not deserve it.

    This goes into what Pat is mentioning. When you force a decision by OF position rather than the OF overall, then you're limiting the statistical analysis made by the game to determine the best fielders.

    As it stands, it's basically saying that you can have 24 horrible Right Fielders take enough chances during the season and allow one to win the award simply because the rest of the field is weak. That cuts out an award for a more deseving CF or LF.

    And it is much more noticeable in the OF because teams are more willing to sacrifice defense in the outfield than in the IF.

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  • Pat
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    Originally posted by Carlos View Post
    OOTP handles OF Glove Wizard Awards poorly, but still a cool list.
    I've read that on the OOTP forums as well.

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  • Clay
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    Originally posted by Carlos View Post
    OOTP handles OF Glove Wizard Awards poorly, but still a cool list.
    How so?

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  • Carlos
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    OOTP handles OF Glove Wizard Awards poorly, but still a cool list.

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  • Matt
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    <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr class="title2"><td>Players Who Have Won the Glove Wizard Award at Multiple Positions</td></tr> <tr><td> <table style="width: 719px; height: 192px;" class="sortable" border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0"> <thead><tr class="headline"><td class="hsc2_l ">
    Player</td><td class="hsc2">Positions</td><td class="hsc2 sorttable_sorted">Times Won ▾</td></tr></thead> <tbody> <tr class="s1"><td class="s1_l">Vincent Nino</td><td>2</td><td>5</td></tr><tr class="s2"><td class="s2_l">Mel Woodbury</td><td>2</td><td>4</td></tr><tr class="s1"><td class="s1_l">Gary Lippincott</td><td>2</td><td>3</td></tr><tr class="s2"><td class="s2_l">Amato Albors</td><td>2</td><td>2</td></tr><tr class="s1"><td class="s1_l">Geoff Scott</td><td>2</td><td>2</td></tr><tr class="s2"><td class="s2_l">Mark McAuliffe</td><td>2</td><td>2</td></tr><tr class="s1"><td class="s1_l">Roy Sizer</td><td>2</td><td>2</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table>

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  • Jim
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    Most Games Played Without Appearing in the Postseason
    (Top 25 Players) <table style="width: 725px; height: 575px;" class="sortable" border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0"><thead><tr class="headline"><td class="hsc2_l">Player</td><td class="hsc2">Games</td></tr></thead> <tbody><tr class="s1"><td class="s1_l">Pedro Eires</td><td>1699</td></tr> <tr class="s2"><td class="s2_l">Tom Isgar</td><td>1569</td></tr> <tr class="s1"><td class="s1_l">Rodger Gallegos</td><td>1282</td></tr> <tr class="s2"><td class="s2_l">Joel Russell</td><td>1206</td></tr> <tr class="s1"><td class="s1_l">Rich Parnell</td><td>1182</td></tr> <tr class="s2"><td class="s2_l">Herbert Dunlop</td><td>1114</td></tr> <tr class="s1"><td class="s1_l">Jerry Foshee</td><td>1066</td></tr> <tr class="s2"><td class="s2_l">Jong-ho Mun</td><td>1065</td></tr> <tr class="s1"><td class="s1_l">Brian Greenham</td><td>1044</td></tr> <tr class="s2"><td class="s2_l">Carlos Flores</td><td>1037</td></tr> <tr class="s1"><td class="s1_l">Ed Smith</td><td>1012</td></tr> <tr class="s2"><td class="s2_l">Joe Sargentini</td><td>1004</td></tr> <tr class="s1"><td class="s1_l">Glen Reagan</td><td>1000</td></tr> <tr class="s2"><td class="s2_l">Feliciano Angeles</td><td>993</td></tr> <tr class="s1"><td class="s1_l">Larry Headington</td><td>985</td></tr> <tr class="s2"><td class="s2_l">Joe Zegarra</td><td>967</td></tr> <tr class="s1"><td class="s1_l">Tauro Hidrogo</td><td>943</td></tr> <tr class="s2"><td class="s2_l">Sterling Deadman</td><td>924</td></tr> <tr class="s1"><td class="s1_l">Frank Rancourt</td><td>899</td></tr> <tr class="s2"><td class="s2_l">Pancho Velastegui</td><td>888</td></tr> <tr class="s1"><td class="s1_l">Shelby Houck</td><td>857</td></tr> <tr class="s2"><td class="s2_l">Joe Proenza</td><td>839</td></tr> <tr class="s1"><td class="s1_l">Pat Washington</td><td>817</td></tr> <tr class="s2"><td class="s2_l">Domingo Bandillo</td><td>815</td></tr> <tr class="s1"><td class="s1_l">Mark MacAdie</td><td>791</td></tr></tbody></table>

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  • Pat
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    Jonathan Brinkworth....what a stud.

    Drafted in the inaugural draft by the Washington Yankees, at 38 years old. That year, he was 14-7, 3.04 ERA, 222 IP, 182 K. He actually played until he was 43!

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  • BradZ
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    <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR class=title2><TD>
    Most Innings Pitched Without Appearing in the Postseason
    (Top 25 Players)

    </TD></TR><TR><TD><TABLE class=sortable cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 width=793 border=0><THEAD><TR class=headline><TD class=hsc2_l sorttable_columnindex="0">Player</TD><TD class=hsc2 sorttable_columnindex="1">IP</TD></TR></THEAD><TBODY><TR class=s1><TD class=s1_l>Larry LaRochelle</TD><TD>2404.0</TD></TR><TR class=s2><TD class=s2_l>Eric Cafferty</TD><TD>2255.7</TD></TR><TR class=s1><TD class=s1_l>Marco Rubia</TD><TD>1725.7</TD></TR><TR class=s2><TD class=s2_l>ngel Caramillo</TD><TD>1688.3</TD></TR><TR class=s1><TD class=s1_l>Joe Orozco</TD><TD>1643.7</TD></TR><TR class=s2><TD class=s2_l>Filiberto Delrosario</TD><TD>1488.3</TD></TR><TR class=s1><TD class=s1_l>Mark Melanson</TD><TD>1422.7</TD></TR><TR class=s2><TD class=s2_l>Henry Deer</TD><TD>1400.3</TD></TR><TR class=s1><TD class=s1_l>Dylan Lillie</TD><TD>1371.0</TD></TR><TR class=s2><TD class=s2_l>Vidal Olbera</TD><TD>1368.3</TD></TR><TR class=s1><TD class=s1_l>Jeff Franklin</TD><TD>1352.7</TD></TR><TR class=s2><TD class=s2_l>Bill Faircloth</TD><TD>1304.7</TD></TR><TR class=s1><TD class=s1_l>Barto Ramairez</TD><TD>1227.0</TD></TR><TR class=s2><TD class=s2_l>Nathan Athey</TD><TD>1204.7</TD></TR><TR class=s1><TD class=s1_l>Philippe Gagn</TD><TD>1007.0</TD></TR><TR class=s2><TD class=s2_l>Orlan Coronda</TD><TD>1006.7</TD></TR><TR class=s1><TD class=s1_l>Juan Boladeres</TD><TD>973.7</TD></TR><TR class=s2><TD class=s2_l>Cortez Barrerra</TD><TD>964.3</TD></TR><TR class=s1><TD class=s1_l>Fernando Asencio</TD><TD>961.0</TD></TR><TR class=s2><TD class=s2_l>Rich Mathes</TD><TD>954.0</TD></TR><TR class=s1><TD class=s1_l>Jeremiah Wallace</TD><TD>923.0</TD></TR><TR class=s2><TD class=s2_l>Jonathan Brinkworth</TD><TD>908.3</TD></TR><TR class=s1><TD class=s1_l>Phil Mercier</TD><TD>897.0</TD></TR><TR class=s2><TD class=s2_l>Joe McKeag</TD><TD>879.3</TD></TR><TR class=s1><TD class=s1_l>Joe Soto</TD><TD>838.3</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

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  • Pat
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    Originally posted by Jim View Post
    I was expecting Washington to have had the most...I was remembering the good ole days when Pat would keep enough guys in his DFA to field a team.
    Miss those days.

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  • Jim
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    I was expecting Washington to have had the most...I was remembering the good ole days when Pat would keep enough guys in his DFA to field a team.

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  • Lintyfresh85
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    Why?

    I burned through a ton of players in the early 80's.

    I think people forget how truly terrible California was when I first took it over.

    Despite being in the playoffs two of the last three years... and winning a Brewmasters Championship in one of those years... entering the 1989 season, California still held the lowest winning percentage in league history at .411.

    The reason most don't know that is because we didn't advertise just how bad our team was. While Clay went on and on about how terrible Virginia was... the reality of the situation was that California was just a bit worse.

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  • Jim
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    I must say, I expected to see a different team at #1...

    <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="693" height="575"><tbody><tr class="title2"><td>Most Players Used In Franchise History</td></tr> <tr><td> <table style="width: 768px; height: 554px;" class="sortable" border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0"> <thead><tr class="headline"><td class="hsc2_l">Team</td><td class="hsc2">Players Used</td></tr></thead> <tbody><tr class="s1"><td class="s1_l">California Kodiaks</td><td>226</td></tr> <tr class="s2"><td class="s2_l">Washington Bats</td><td>195</td></tr> <tr class="s1"><td class="s1_l">Philadelphia Freedom</td><td>186</td></tr> <tr class="s2"><td class="s2_l">Los Alamos Bandits</td><td>180</td></tr> <tr class="s1"><td class="s1_l">Virginia Colonials</td><td>173</td></tr> <tr class="s2"><td class="s2_l">Pittsburgh Millers</td><td>172</td></tr> <tr class="s1"><td class="s1_l">Syracuse Slammers</td><td>161</td></tr> <tr class="s2"><td class="s2_l">Davenport Brawlers</td><td>158</td></tr> <tr class="s1"><td class="s1_l">Sin City Gamblers</td><td>157</td></tr> <tr class="s2"><td class="s2_l">Dallas Snappers</td><td>154</td></tr> <tr class="s1"><td class="s1_l">Wilmington Wildcats</td><td>151</td></tr> <tr class="s2"><td class="s2_l">Carolina Tobs</td><td>142</td></tr> <tr class="s1"><td class="s1_l">Denver Bulls</td><td>142</td></tr> <tr class="s2"><td class="s2_l">Baltimore Bulldogs</td><td>139</td></tr> <tr class="s1"><td class="s1_l">Los Lunas Javelinas</td><td>134</td></tr> <tr class="s2"><td class="s2_l">Windy City Playboys</td><td>131</td></tr> <tr class="s1"><td class="s1_l">Indianapolis Clowns</td><td>131</td></tr> <tr class="s2"><td class="s2_l">Mississippi Storm</td><td>121</td></tr> <tr class="s1"><td class="s1_l">Maine Guides</td><td>120</td></tr> <tr class="s2"><td class="s2_l">Pawtucket Patriots</td><td>118</td></tr> <tr class="s1"><td class="s1_l">Hyundai Dinos</td><td>118</td></tr> <tr class="s2"><td class="s2_l">Hartford Whalers</td><td>103</td></tr> <tr class="s1"><td class="s1_l">Batavia Muckdogs</td><td>86</td></tr> <tr class="s2"><td class="s2_l">Morgantown Mohawks</td><td>64</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table>

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  • Carlos
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    Ooooh. Wow, I read this list very wrong. I thought it was all-time. About to say that it was very off. Ok. Back to your regularly scheduled Stat of the Day post.

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