2019 Week 4 Results.

[Guest]

I'm virtually certain that it's not a "stupid move by coach."

Maybe not but I could highlight a few stupid moves if you want... The last one involved my USFL game. My opponent was down by 7 points and had a 60 yard drive going at the end of the game. Then with 3 seconds left, he threw a short pass to his FB. Four yard gain, game over.

Personally I would have thrown something at the computer if I was watching it on Solevision.

4-1-SAC24 (4Q: 00:03) Josh Gruden pass completed to FB Charles Mahoney for 4 yards. Tackled by S Antonio Henry, assisted by CB Carlton Dodge. Mahoney gained 1 yard after the catch. The quarterback threw away from the double coverage.
Final Score: Sacramento Quake 24, Iowa Bulls 17

[kingfc22]

Strong performance by Nori. We even got to sit him out the entire 4th quarter to let him rest his strained hammy.

Onto the next one.

[Guest]

Dietz threw into double coverage so many times. haha

As an aside: I know people insist that read defense means not throwing into double coverage. I have seriously started to wonder if that's correct. I am personally in the camp that read defense means that: if there are two options on the play, the ability for the QB to know when to throw to the 2nd option, based on the probability of the play's success.

I'm thinking this because I have watched my QB over in the USFL, with good read defense, throw into a lot of double coverage this season. Bad dice? Maybe.

At some point I will set up a test of this, once I work out how to test it. Unless someone beats me to it or already has good evidence. Nutah?

[Guest]

I'm virtually certain that it's not a "stupid move by coach." If you're in hurry-up and the lead is 4 points or more, you go for it. Period. There's no option to do otherwise. No decision code involving the coach comes into play there.

i guess thats the NFL thing, either kick a quick fg and try and get the ball back (which most teams do) or try for the td 1st and then try get the ball back. guess im on the other side of that with julio, kick the fg early and try get the ball back.

but the designer went with the concencus approach

[Guest]

Maybe not but I could highlight a few stupid moves if you want... The last one involved my USFL game. My opponent was down by 7 points and had a 60 yard drive going at the end of the game. Then with 3 seconds left, he threw a short pass to his FB. Four yard gain, game over.

Personally I would have thrown something at the computer if I was watching it on Solevision.

What does that have to do with my comment on an entirely different scenario?

[Guest]

For immersion purposes, I see the logic on both scenarios. Some coaches will do the FG first, and hope for a TD. Others will go for the TD first.

On the other, have seen that a hundred times. Say the defense lined up 7 guys between the 5 and the goal line, so the offense was just throwing up a prayer, hoping for blocking, eluding tackles, etc. (again, just for immersion purposes).

But in the FOF world, that's just how it goes. There's lots of little logic things that'll drive ya nuts if you let it (I know, been there a lot). I know a lot of the gurus quit watching Solevision altogether and just approach it at the macro level - win/loss, here's the stats, that's it. Probably healthier.

But I'm a sucker for 'watching' the game.

[Guest]

What does that have to do with my comment on an entirely different scenario?

Nothing, I guess.

[Guest]

On the other, have seen that a hundred times. Say the defense lined up 7 guys between the 5 and the goal line, so the offense was just throwing up a prayer, hoping for blocking, eluding tackles, etc. (again, just for immersion purposes).

Maybe. But if my favorite team threw a short pass with no time on the clock, down by 7, and the guy was tackled immediately... I think I would throw something at the tv. Why would I do anything differently for Solevision?

[Guest]

I'm virtually certain that it's not a "stupid move by coach." If you're in hurry-up and the lead is 4 points or more, you go for it. Period. There's no option to do otherwise. No decision code involving the coach comes into play there.

I guess I can see the logic there, but I guess I just thought it was a no brainer to try and make it a 1 score game no matter what. You have to get the ball back and score again anyway, but at least you only need one score.

I mean, we still came back and forced OT with some miraculous shit there at the end with the onside kick and the 55 yard FG, and the real reason we lost was that we couldn't recover just one of those pesky fumbles.. I just never thought the logic would ever dictate otherwise in a 2 score situation no matter what the hurry up setting was.

All in all, it all boils down to the best we have played your guys in several seasons and me just being bitter at having my little heart broken again. :)

[Guest]

Maybe. But if my favorite team threw a short pass with no time on the clock, down by 7, and the guy was tackled immediately... I think I would throw something at the tv. Why would I do anything differently for Solevision?

Because you can't see the entire play in Solevision.

[Guest]

In other news, I started my test on double coverage. I am only about half way done and already the results may be surprising to some.

I can say this: for sure, a QB with extremely high read defense will still throw into a lot of double coverage, if it makes sense for him to do so. What does that mean? I think I am starting to get some ideas but let me finish testing first.

Certainly, anyone who thinks that read defense is about making QBs avoid double coverage may want to re-think their position a bit.

[Guest]

Here are the results:

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...08#post2463608

I think, at the very least, it has the potential to generate an interesting discussion. ;-)