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    I thought this quote was worth commenting on.

    Originally posted by Acid
    ...finding out last night who had the best first day of the draft...
    Let me stress this once again: we did NOT find out last night who had the best first day of the draft. We will have *some* indication of that after training camp. However, just like in real football, we won't really know for a couple more seasons. FYI, FOF players don't "improve" per se (apart from veteran booms and veteran busts). As they get experience, their red bars increase, yes, but they don't "progress" as some of you have called it. Here's more how it works...

    Say you drafted a guy who appears on your roster as 20/60 right now. It is extremely unlikely that his *real* potential is 60. It could sit anywhere in a range from roughly 35ish to 85ish, if I remember my numbers correctly. What happens is that the longer he is in the league, the more accurate the scouts' view of him is. So, say his *real* potential is actually 45, but you give him lots of playing time and you have a mentor to further help him develop quickly. The ratings you see might change like this:

    AFTER FIRST TRAINING CAMP: 22/57
    AFTER PRESEASON: 25/56
    AFTER REGULAR SEASON: 35/54
    BEGIN NEXT OFFSEASON: 35/52
    AFTER NEXT TRAINING CAMP: 39/48
    AT SOME POINT NEXT SEASON WHEN HE GETS FULLY DEVELOPED: 45/45

    He didn't "get worse." His true potential was 45 all along. It's just that the scouts had it wrong.


    Similarly, if his true potential is 70, you'll see the potential number start to rise. To be clear on this: virtually every number that you see right now for your rookie players is WRONG. That's just what your scout thinks about him at the moment. The truth will be slowly revealed. It's a pretty good model.


    CAVEAT: Veterans, based on volatility ratings, sometimes have random booms or random busts. Those ARE true ratings changes. A player with a "true" 45/45 rating might become a 60/60. It doesn't happen often, but it does happen.

    CAVEAT 2: Some rookies, also based on volatility, will randomly boom or bust. Those are also true ratings changes. Again, it doesn't happen all that often, but we'll most certainly see a handful of late round picks increase as much as 20 points or so in training camp. And we'll also see a few of those guys you're excited about fall from 50/70 to 20/40 in training camp.

    I hope this clears this up. Questions?

  • #2
    1) Do we all see the same ratings right now for rookies, once they're drafted onto teams?

    And if the answer to that is no....

    2) Does our scout's ability to evaluate young talent affect how accurately they rate their potential right now?
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Skerik
      1) Do we all see the same ratings right now for rookies, once they're drafted onto teams?

      And if the answer to that is no....

      2) Does our scout's ability to evaluate young talent affect how accurately they rate their potential right now?
      1. No
      2. Yes


      I'll give a couple of example of #1, based on what they posted:

      PUNX
      #1 = 29/51
      #2 = 33/53
      #3 = 17/59

      My scout sees these ratings differently by a total of 8 points.


      DENV:

      1.2 QB Jamie Scoggins 11/67
      1.6 CB Donnell Burke 67/69
      3.2 WR Steve Stargell 37/60

      10 points total difference from my scout


      So, the differences aren't huge, but they're there.





      From what I see so far on the rosters, I believe that RB Jose Kappers (Anchorage, 3.26) is going to be the steal of the early rounds.

      A few more predictions (and by the way, I did no interviews)...


      THREE DISAPPOINTMENTS
      QB Graham Pearson, Anchorage, 1.28--should probably never see the field
      QB Dean Reed, Brooklyn, 2.6--Another guy who should probably never play a regular season game
      QB Jamie Scoggins, Denver, 1.2--My feeling on this one isn't as strong as on the other QBs, but if pressed against the wall, I'd say that I doubt he's anything more than a mediocre QB. He could be a decent player one day, but I doubt he'll show himself worthy of the #2 overall.

      THREE GUYS WHO WILL BE BETTER THAN ADVERTISED
      RB Tim Hartman, Brooklyn, 1.7--Yeah, he was a high pick, but this guy looks like a #1 overall guy to me.
      RCB Donnell Burke, Denver, 1.6--Along with Hartman, I think he'll show himself to be a #1 overall type player.
      FL Joseph Gerhardt, Port City, 1.21--Gutsy pick here. My take is that he was picked in about the right place.

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      • #4
        I agree, Reed freakin blows. I would start a DT over him at QB


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        • #5
          I'm counting on a lot of what Skydog says. I really believe Kaplan's ratings will improve a good amount. I had a feeling by his bars in scouting that his initial ratings would be underwhelming. But my scout who is excellent at QB had him the 2nd best in the draft and very under rated. His combine numbers were fantastic. But his bars looked suspect.

          Now he's a 19/38. I just got a feeling that's gonna change. If not.....we've got Cade Mc Nown
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          • #6
            Originally posted by jistic
            If not.....we've got Cade Mc Nown
            You would know!

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            • #7
              SkyDog, is there a reason you didn't interview?
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              • #8
                Originally posted by robster1225
                SkyDog, is there a reason you didn't interview?
                Some stuff came up on the night I had set aside to do it, and I didn't get the export finished in time.

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                • #9
                  Oh, ok. I just wanted to make sure there wasn't some kind of strategy thing ;)
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by SkyDog
                    A few more predictions (and by the way, I did no interviews)...


                    THREE DISAPPOINTMENTS
                    QB Graham Pearson, Anchorage, 1.28--should probably never see the field
                    QB Dean Reed, Brooklyn, 2.6--Another guy who should probably never play a regular season game
                    QB Jamie Scoggins, Denver, 1.2--My feeling on this one isn't as strong as on the other QBs, but if pressed against the wall, I'd say that I doubt he's anything more than a mediocre QB. He could be a decent player one day, but I doubt he'll show himself worthy of the #2 overall.

                    THREE GUYS WHO WILL BE BETTER THAN ADVERTISED
                    RB Tim Hartman, Brooklyn, 1.7--Yeah, he was a high pick, but this guy looks like a #1 overall guy to me.
                    RCB Donnell Burke, Denver, 1.6--Along with Hartman, I think he'll show himself to be a #1 overall type player.
                    FL Joseph Gerhardt, Port City, 1.21--Gutsy pick here. My take is that he was picked in about the right place.
                    Well at least I got one in both categories. To be honest, I didn't think Scoggins was #2 pick material, but I'm so desperate for a quarterback I took him. He was clearly the 2nd best QB on the board in my scouting. But he's a couple years away from being productive, and a bust is certainly possible. I like Burke a lot though, he's already a very good player according to my scouts, hopefully he'll just get better.

                    Thanks for the insight.
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