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  • #16
    My scouts aren't great at all but from the cornerbacks, I liked the look of Carlos Poole.

    A lot of great potential cornerbacks and safeties, 10 taken in the first 33 picks....

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    • #17
      In the 2nd round, when there was a run on tackles, I said I thought there was a better tackle than those 5 that were taken in 6 picks.

      Finally, garion has grabbed him in the 3rd round. Ricardo Lamb, I personally thought was a early to mid 2nd round talent. Should be good blocking run or pass. Endurance isn't generally a big issue on the offensive line, so not a huge deal with the low endurance... and he won't get many pancakes. But, he'll block well for the run or pass.

      Let's look at his combines. A blue 5.09 in the 40. 5.05 is red, so he was very close to the higher tier. 30 strength combine is close to the blue tier at 32, but still solid on its own. And a blue 7.55 agility combine is just two off from the 7.53 to be red. His combines were good, and on the cusp of the next level.

      If you look at the 5 guys drafted together in the 2nd round, you'll see:

      Dillon Minter - low run and pass. 33 bench combine correlates to the high blocking strength bar. He'll get some pancakes, but allow a lot of sacks and miss a lot of key run block opportunities. I'd rather have Lamb.
      Douglas Fielding - Fielding may be good, but he may not be. He had a good grade (5.8), so who knows. His 5.19 40 yard dash was right at the cusp of being neutral (5.21 is black/neutral). That doesn't say much for his run blocking. 27 bench is middle of the road neutral... nothing fancy to write home to mom about. His only GOOD, meaningful combine was his agility, a 7.50 red combine score. All this points to a good pass blocker, but average run blocker with little blocking strength. He could just be very underrated, but I prefer Lamb, who will be more balanced in his ability to block.
      Brady Newhart - Good 40 combine (red 4.90) was top of the Tackle class. He'll be a good run blocker. But his 7.88 agility is mediocre at best, leaving him to be likely a below average pass blocker. Again, I'd rather have the guy with 60 run and pass blocking in Lamb, then the one dimensional run blocker in Newhart.
      Nathan Hendricks - Another one dimensional tackle. Red agility (7.53, just two better than Lamb), will be a good pass blocker, but his black 40 score, at 5.21 (12 worse than Lamb) will keep his run blocking to a lower standard. Although he is on the cusp of being blue, he will be hard pressed to keep those bars he is showing.
      Peter Hatcher - Best bench in the draft with 37 reps. Good blocking strength bar to go with the combine. Hatcher's 5.09 40 is the same as Lamb, but his 7.69 agility is 14 points lower. He'll be a helluva run blocker, getting many pancakes, but his pass blocking will not be as good as Lamb's... and doesn't everyone want a tackle to be a good pass blocker against the many talented pass rushers at DE?

      Overall, I'd take Lamb #1, with Hatcher, Fielding, and Newhart behind him.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by IrishGuy65 View Post
        Endurance isn't generally a big issue on the offensive line, so not a huge deal with the low endurance
        This is not true. Endurance is important because OL rarely come off. They're on the field more than anyone other than the QB.

        As such, lower END players tend to tire out, which leads to them being less effective and (some believe) easier to injure.

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        Also, I took Hatcher in the 2nd because he has the chance to be an elite T. Sure, his strength bar might carry him a bit, but he could outperform the blue bars everyone sees now.

        Lamb is much more one dimensional and the high Pass Block better stick.

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        • #19
          Just so you guys know, I didn't pick Hartman strictly on the "static bar theory". His PH bar played a relatively small part in me picking him. Identifying him, it played about a 33ish% part though.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by IrishGuy65 View Post
            Basically, from my research a static bar don't mean shit. It's like a poker player... he only remembers when he loses with the pocket aces, not the times he wins with them. Same thing here, most people only remember when they get a big jump from a guy with a bigger static bar than his corresponding combine shows... So, many will say 'look at his punishing hitter bar, it's great, so he will be great!'. I say, SOMETIMES he will be great, sometimes, he will be what he seems to be, and sometimes, he will be a dud.
            haha just had to quote this because I used to play a LOT of poker before I moved away from my local games/somewhat local casinos. :) I used to use static bars a lot but I don't know that they're so good in the new version. I had a couple big misses with them in drafts in the new version and my anecdotal evidence seems to indicate that static bars aren't as valuable anymore. I've been so busy since becoming a father I'm not as on top of FOF theory as I used to be (probably not on top of it at all!) but this has at least SEEMED the case to me.

            As for my draft picks, I was THRILLED to get Alfaro at 13. I don't know if he'll be as good as Amos Irwin, another linebacker I drafted high, but I felt like he was BPA and at a position of need for me. I've generally undervalued LBs and went for cheap players at that position but I couldn't pass up Alfaro.

            I might regret passing on Noah Ingram for this FB with my second round pick, but he was probably BPA also. (Although, at FB....yack! Last time I drafted a fullback this high was DJ Moss who was a very good one, but in that draft I had coveted a TE Nutah took named Edwin Blades or something like that.) I might try to pull a "Gornitsky" with him but I suspect I will just end up playing him at fullback.

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            • #21
              Congrats, foos, I know that beautiful pain.

              As far as static bars, if you're looking at players and going "high bar he's gonna be awesome" That's the wrong way to use them. That was only ever true on WRs back in the day, but static bars were always meant to be a piece of the puzzle. A CB with a high PH is good to see, but it by no means makes him a good player.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by garion333 View Post
                Congrats, foos, I know that beautiful pain.

                As far as static bars, if you're looking at players and going "high bar he's gonna be awesome" That's the wrong way to use them. That was only ever true on WRs back in the day, but static bars were always meant to be a piece of the puzzle. A CB with a high PH is good to see, but it by no means makes him a good player.
                Absolutely. Even back in the day it had to be static bar + other indicator(s). (Unless it was late enough in the draft that just a static bar was exciting. :) )

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by irabowman View Post
                  First 2 rounds are in the books so lets talk about the picks you liked that were made. Let's say you can't vote for who you picked.

                  OK Here are the picks I personally liked.
                  1.2 San Fran DT Hale ( He was so close to be the #1 pick, I personally thought he go #2. )
                  1.16 Memphis G McCorkle ( I thought he was best O/L to me nice pick @ #16 )
                  1.20 Pearle Harbor RB Grim ( Top RB and it errrked my chain I missed him by 1 pick )

                  2.1 Boston S Evans ( Last of the really good D players )
                  2.21 Punxsutawney T Newhart ( Felt he was the best T out of the 5 that went in 6 picks. )
                  2.28 Brooklyn WR Katzman ( One of the few WR's I liked )
                  I'm not sure how 1.20 RB Grim fell to me but it seemed like a no-brainer as the only real talent left on offense.
                  Funny enough I still have RB Jeffries in the top 10 yds last season but a security blanket is never a bad idea.
                  As for my other 2 faves in round 1 were the 2 CBs 1.19 Hartman and 1.21 Poole....it was a real tough decision on which path to move into for my team but with a new QB on the horizon needed to stack up offensively.

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                  • #24
                    I liked Grim. By far and away the best running back in the draft. The red flag put me off though (and maybe others)?

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by rush_27 View Post
                      I liked Grim. By far and away the best running back in the draft. The red flag put me off though (and maybe others)?
                      Don't bother about red flag. I never had troubles with that kind of players in more than 50 seasons combined playing FOF
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Sharkn20 View Post
                        Don't bother about red flag. I never had troubles with that kind of players in more than 50 seasons combined playing FOF
                        lets hope you are right Shark!

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by ter13dan View Post
                          lets hope you are right Shark!
                          You should know it already my friend!
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Sharkn20 View Post
                            Don't bother about red flag. I never had troubles with that kind of players in more than 50 seasons combined playing FOF
                            Really? Almost always avoided players with red flag. May have to re-think my strategy in future!

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by rush_27 View Post
                              Really? Almost always avoided players with red flag. May have to re-think my strategy in future!
                              Yes you should :)
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                              • #30
                                Jon Oates at 1.9 was my top LB behind Glover. I was hoping he was gonna somehow slip.

                                Big fan of Poole at 1.21, good value.

                                Louis Lewis at 2.9 is a nice pick.

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