Gameplanning

[irabowman]

OK, I have mentioned in the past about how that running the ball game plan was over taken by passing, and it was explained to me that when you fall behind your team will start passing more. OK I understand that. With Mandel mainly being a being a long passer and fair deep passer. Good timing I tried to do a lot of game planning especially my last game of season with heavy deep passes hoping to hit 40-50% of them. I am sure it also takes good receivers for Long and deep passes to be effective. However I don't understand why when you put in for 50-60% of your game plan to be deep passes your coaches send in plays for runs & passes that are behind line of scrimmage and you lose yardage almost on every play they do that. Gee seems like the coach would be like this is not working lets try the game plan and go deep.

So in this scenario is it because
1. My coaches don't know how to call deep plays
2. Receivers are not good at deep plays. My receivers I had 1 with a score of 86 getting downfield 2nd best scores 40, and 2-3 with 38
3. OL not good enough to protect long enough, In pass protection my LT is 84, LG 22, C 36, RG 71 RT 65

Just trying to figure out why my game planning don't seem to work and address the issues in offseason or try too anyways. I personally see LG & C being a issue but also maybe it is on the coaching staff.

4. Just in case need the Info Mandel scores 48 Short Pass, 79 Long Pass, 41 deep pass, 83 timing, and 48 accuracy In case he is reason.

[Guest]

However I don't understand why when you put in for 50-60% of your game plan to be deep passes your coaches send in plays for runs & passes that are behind line of scrimmage and you lose yardage almost on every play they do that.

I am not sure what is happening here. It sounds like your QB is throwing short passes not long ones.

So in this scenario is it because
1. My coaches don't know how to call deep plays

I think that all coaches can call deep pass plays. Maybe your QB doesn't know the formations that are set up in your gameplan for passing and extreme passing situations.

2. Receivers are not good at deep plays. My receivers I had 1 with a score of 86 getting downfield 2nd best scores 40, and 2-3 with 38

The Getting Downfield bar is for breaking tackles.

The Big Play Receiving bar is for receptions on long passes.

3. OL not good enough to protect long enough, In pass protection my LT is 84, LG 22, C 36, RG 71 RT 65

If pass protection is a problem, I think it would be evident if your opponents are getting a lot of sacks and hurries on your QB.

[irabowman]

Thanks Rob, this helped on some stuff. Mandel played 14 games this season and was sacked 33 times little higher than normal by looking at other QB's
on OL I saw my LG allowed 15 sacks allowed who had Pass Protection of 22 I was shocked that my RT was second with 14 who has score of 65 rest of my mine gave up 8, 6, and fewer. So I see my LG being a issue. Especially since he has low Run Block also so that will be one issue I will address this off season.

WRs is another I will look at thanks for the advice.

[davehibb]

I'm no expert by any stretch but if you are passing long/deep you are going to be looking at lower completion rates in general. Usually around 35-39% give or take. If you are lucky.

If you are passing long on 'passing downs' where the opposition defense is in pass defense that is going to lower your chances of completing the pass and the same can be said of WRs with low Big Play Receiving bars. Plus of course, BPR isn't 'overpowered' any more.

Throw in an O Line that isn't able to keep the pocket clean whilst these long routes develop and now you have sacks and hurries in the equation too.

Then if your QB only knows a few formations that have long passes available in them, you then have familiars to contend with also.

And if your co-ordinators are crappy at playcalling it lessens your chances of the play called being 'successful' too.

Throw all that together and yeah... You're going to be lucky to hit on 30% of long passes let alone 40-50%.

I think you can get away with that type of GP maybe once or twice a season to catch people off guard, especially if you have a good running game to open up those passes against run defenses but I don't think you can make a living from it anymore.

But like I said, I'm no expert.

[Guest]

Look at dave already dropping the good knowledge.

You:


Compare with the entire league:


I really wish there was more consistency between the two screens here, but your completion percentages are down across the board compared to the league average, except for Screen. And you're not as successful as the rest of the league when you pass in general.

That tells me it's your QB, OL or WRs. Since your QB is better at passing longer, it may be his Sense Rush. If you want to be more successful at throwing long you need to focus on Pass Blocking on your Oline and your LG is giving up a lot of sacks. Your RT also gave up more than I would've expected based on his ratings, but you may have gone up against a lot of good DEs. That and QB Mandel's Sense Rush is only 32. Pretty damn low.

Your main issue is your WRs. Toby Carr is a really good receiver, but his BRP is only 34, which means he's not going to be good to target with the long ball. Glen Forbes is the same. Maybe Lamb has the best BPR of your starting WRs but his BPR is only 58 and the rest of his bars are underwhelming. I would say the lack of BPR in your receivers is probably the most impactful piece of this puzzle.

FWIW, your Oline cohesion is decent, but your Passing cohesion is last in the league. That's because you have a new QB and a bunch of new receiving pieces. That will go up over time and will aid you in getting better completion percentages.

Really, I think it's your receivers. Square peg in a round hole.

[irabowman]

TY Dave & Garion.

I also agree about the G, and am really hoping my T had a bad year as he is a good Run blocker. I also agree with the receivers I have, This last season that is why I went and drafted a new RG and C for my team. Now I need a LG hopefully I will be able to address either FA or draft. Then WRs also. Mandel I feel is just a bust for a starting QB as a back up he might be OK, but I am sure that will be too expensive a option to consider when contract is up. Mandel only knows 10 formations so you might of just answered my question of why I was not seeing a higher # if Long and deep passes being thrown. And yes I was hoping to throw Yuma off with a game plan of very high long and deep passes. So if he did not know the formations to complete that goal it explains why I was not seeing it being attempted.

[Guest]

Yeah, formations are definitely an issue for him, but mostly because he knows a lot of 2-TE sets, which is not what you want to run. ;)

I don't think he's a bust, but he is a letdown at 1st overall. It happens. A lot, actually.

[Guest]

I don't trust the individual "sack percentage allowed" stats for linemen because it seems a bit random at times. Sometimes it's just indicative of the oline as a whole when a guy is giving up a lot of sacks.

[Aston]

Or the QB and GP!

I'll echo the thoughts about long passing not being a real high percentage play. Pick and choose your shots wisely if you're like most teams and you can't bomb at will.