2018 Draft Discussion

[Pat]

I almost took Looney at 4.14 but I thought he would last until 5.13...damn.

[Jake]

Looney is 5'9" on his tippy toes. Barely 200 pounds with all of his pads on. A scrappy bastard from Division II Central Missouri State. He eats wheaties for dinner and porterhouses for breakfast. The legend has begun.

[Guest]

What was Looney's intelligence? I was considering taking him with the low sole score and not scouting on him I was too nervous. :)

[Aston]

5'9 though....

Nice combine. But 5'9 though...

As far as QBs and intelligence go I think sole should be high, the higher the better. A really high intelligence can be a good sign, and a really low intelligence is also a good sign that there's a high Avoid Ints rating. I don't know what it means when the intelligence is just moderately high, 60-70 for instance.

[Guest]

I don't know what it means when the intelligence is just moderately high, 60-70 for instance.

It means something in the middle. Just a note, in the USFL there was a QB taken last season with 0 intelligence and a lowish solesemic score. This season he was #2 on Greta's "most careful" list. If you want I can see if I can find the sol score.

It makes me really hopeful for the guy I took in this past USFL draft... Heavily masked, gained 7 points future in training camp. He has an intelligence of about 45 and a sol score of 46... Hello 100 avoid int bar.

[Aston]

That's confusing...

So for a high avoid int rating: you can have really low intelligence, plus a high sol. Or a low sol. Or really high intelligence with a high sol. And maybe a low sol too. Or just a really high sol. Don't tell me the next thing you are going to say is "or a really low sol." :)

[Guest]

It is not too confusing... I mean, I guess it is a bit confusing but not too bad. ;-)

You just have to remember that the sol. score correlates to two things: intelligence and avoid int. So the sol. score on its own does not tell you much. Well, a 48 sol. score is pretty decisive: maxed intelligence and maxed avoid int. A 0 sol. score is the opposite.

Someone was talking about WRs and the sol. score in the draft chat, too. Again, it is quite similar. Sol. is route running and intelligence. I drafted a WR with an 18 sol score in the USFL (25 intelligence). In his rookie season he was 4th in receiving yards in spite of starting out 25% developed... This season, after two games he is tearing it up and is sitting #1.

Talking OSFL, your guy Boone had a sol. score of 36. If his intelligence is 100, he probably has a middling avoid int bar. If his intelligence is 0, the avoid int is on the very high end. Intelligence of 50-60, maybe an avoid int of 60-70ish?

[Aston]

One of the reasons I liked Boone over Beisel was Beisel had a 60ish intelligence score, while Boone was around a 23.

That's interesting, then: a top-notch sole will just mean high avoid ints, while once the sole gets less high, a top intelligence (100) is less good than even average (50-60).

Had no idea sole scores mattered that way for WR. Isn't 18 sol/25 int both pretty low?

[Guest]

Isn't 18 sol/25 int both pretty low?

If Malcpow's combine thread comes back, I think you will see that a WR can have an 18 sol but still be a stud.

I agree that 18 sol is getting low but like I am saying, you have to look at intelligence, too. For the WR that I am talking about - I think his RR projects to about 75 when he is done creeping. So a good RR is still possible with a low sol.

Also - I think there is a degree of randomness in the combines. That is why you can sometimes see a stud with just above average combines. And sometimes a player with above average combines will flop.

[Aston]

Ah; you mean intelligence works for the same way with WRs as it does with QBs. Low can be good.

[Guest]

Just curious of the ETA for the draft picks showing on our roster? I know it is a headache entering all those picks. Just asking.

I'm not sure what the thinking was behind not entering picks as the draft went along. Just a personal preference but I like to track my draft progress and start to get an idea of how my picks will turn out. But if this league does not do that no problem.

[Aston]

I like it this way actually. Whenever I play SP, I don't look at the players either until after the draft is done. It just seems to make sense, that only after the team comes out with all its picks does it get a look at the players for its spring rookie camps, or whatnot. And til then all they have to go on are the draft notes.

Strategy wise makes it so you can't say "Well, I was planning on taking 2 guys at that position, but now it looks like I won't need to", or "Wow, that guy came in a bit lower than I thought he would, so I might want a later round insurance pick." I like how the way this is mimics RL. Was pretty surprised when I found out you COULD even look at player rosters mid draft. JMO. Never really knew there was another way MP leagues were run.

[Guest]

Strategy wise makes it so you can't say "Well, I was planning on taking 2 guys at that position, but now it looks like I won't need to", or "Wow, that guy came in a bit lower than I thought he would, so I might want a later round insurance pick." I like how the way this is mimics RL. Was pretty surprised when I found out you COULD even look at player rosters mid draft. JMO. Never really knew there was another way MP leagues were run.

I do not think it is a big deal either way - although I think that not doing files during the draft is a rarity in the FOF multi-player world.

Anyhow, you can't tell very much when the players hit your roster. And in any event, all you are seeing is a more clear analysis of the bars that your scout saw before you drafted him. There is still no evidence of what he will do post-TC. So like I said, either way it is no big deal.

On the other hand, if you tell me how you see my players and I compare it to how I see them, it does give some indication. But that's another story. ;-)

[Guest]

I do not think it is a big deal either way - although I think that not doing files during the draft is a rarity in the FOF multi-player world.

I've had the opposite experience. Four leagues, none of them do a file during the draft. FA stages will continue, but the rookies are not entered until the draft is over. From what I hear, it's a big pain in the ass, and seems like it would require a pause in the draft.

On top of that, you would invariably have someone hold up the draft while they wait for a file so they can look at the players they'd drafted already. I just don't see how it could work with 32 owners across 8-9 time zones.

[Lintyfresh85]

You can't run the draft until you've ran Stages 10-12 of FA-1.

The game won't let you.

So, having said that... the picks will be in on Sunday.