PXT 2038 Block

[sawblade300]

Time to do a semi-rebuild here. We have some really good players available.

LB Dave Weiler: 64/64. 30 years old with a lot left in the tank. Would like to get a 1st from a playoff team. Non-playoff teams, I would take a 2nd

LB Kevin Ellison: 57/57. Yr 10. 84 PRT, 65 PRS. 20.5 sacks in the last two seasons. Same as above. 1st from a playoff team. 2nd from everyone else.

If you're a playoff team that needs a LB to put you over the top, or an edge team that has playoff potential, grab one of these two guys.

I'll add more later, but if you like someone, I may be in a dealing mood. Depends on who it is.

[sawblade300]

This is why I hate trade blocks. Not one inquiry. Here you have two solid LB's, yet they somehow don't fit into ANYONE'S plans. Amazing.

[Aston]

Sorry, saw. I'm in the market for a LB, maybe, but that's a lot to pay. I'm interested in seeing what materializes at the 1st round for me.

[Sharkn20]

I agree with Aston. Tags are too high for veterans. They might can go somewhere for a 3rd round pick... But pricing them as a 1st round seems that you don't want to sell them... Both will drop in TC

[Aston]

Oh, I don't think it's unfair to ask, to be clear. These are good players. And maybe if I were in a different situation, I'd look at things differently. They won't necessarily drop in TC, but I have to see it as a risk.

Speaking hypothetically based on BOS's current situation, I'd be more OK moving a 2nd -- although even then I'm kind of hoping to see what's there in the draft.

A player offers a "sure thing". A draft offers a tantalizing mystery. It really depends on where the team is, as sometimes I prefer one of those over the other, but it changes.

[sawblade300]

Well. I get what you all are saying, but it just confirms my feelings on a trade block.

I see GM's ask for crazy prices on players and get them. Anytime I seem to put a value on a player, it's out of wack. I'm not saying there's some "don't trade with saw" conspiracy, but this is one reason I don't trade much. When I first started FOF, I was criticized for giveing players away and getting ripped off. So I try to put more a value on my players and now no one wants them.

it's fine. I don't *have* to trade these guys. I just thought there would be a team out there that could use already developed and proven LB's to make a run or shore up their D.

No worries.

[Aston]

Huh, yeah, I don't understand some of the crazy prices either. It (hopefully) doesn't happen too much, but all it takes is one motivated party. And that's kind of luck. Sometimes it materializes, sometimes it doesn't.

Generally: buy low, sell high if you can. When you're in a bind, you have to either spend or give up more than you'd like. If you're not in a bind, you have the luxury of keeping your options open and sticking to demands until somebody caves.

It's very fluid. I don't trade as much anymore either. I guess mostly because there's not much that I can give up here off my team.

[IrishGuy65]

I can tell you my thoughts. As a team that is 'close' (meaning I feel I'm only a player or 3 away from having a team that can win a championship), I prefer to grab a known quantity rather than an unknown, undeveloped draftee. In this case, I'm willing to pay a HIGH price for a player.

As a team in the middle, just barely in or out of the playoffs, it really depends on the makeup of the team. However, either way, I'm never planning on paying a high price for an older player (30+ years old or 9 or more years in the league). It just isn't cost effective to give up a possible quality young player that I can get 8 or more years from for a guy I'll only get a few years from. The younger player is cheaper and fits into the longer view I feel I need to take to get over the top AND STAY THERE. I'm a long view kinda GM.

Then, of course, there are the guys at the bottom. Why pay a 1st or 2nd to get a guy at the end of his career? There is no reason. You want to build up a good stable of young players to be your team's future nucleus and to build a high cohesion with. An older, good player, is basically a flash in the pan, that costs both long term cohesion and long term stability, without giving much back. One more win because of this player, going from 5 wins to 6 wins, is really not worth the loss in the long term success of the team. Then consider new GMs... they are sellers, not buyers. In fact, 80%+ of the teams in most leagues are sellers, not buyers, so most are not generally looking at trade blocks.

So, when you have older guys that are good but also high priced, you have a very small market. Believe me, I do the same thing every year. Put older guys on the block hoping to get some decent picks for them... and every year I get very little action because you have such a small market. If you want to sell players, a trade block isn't the best method. Go through all the teams, find those that would benefit from the players you are selling, and talk with them directly. Not only will this increase your chances of selling the players, it will give you a better idea of why there isn't any interest, because most teams will reply with some information.

Finally, also consider this league is, in general, quiet. There are a half dozen or so players who are consistently posting. There are 5 open teams. The rest you don't hear from very often, if at all. These are the teams that never trade, and always have their same 7 picks every year. This further reduces your market size for these players.

[Guest]

As with pretty much all of the players that I have seen on the trade block this year, I think all of these players salaries are too high and not worth trading for. Plus I don't think that linebackers are very important.

[IrishGuy65]

As with pretty much all of the players that I have seen on the trade block this year, I think all of these players salaries are too high and not worth trading for.

As far as MY trade block goes, I would completely disagree with you.

I currently have 2 guys on my block. LT Shannon Mitchem, who was franchised. No one has even asked me what he is asking for. Obviously, the franchise tag is always high. But his ask is much lower than the franchise number. So, saying his salary is high based on the team that takes him not renegotiating. If I released him tomorrow, he'd go for a higher price than his franchise number, AND that person could have had him cheaper with a 4th round pick, which is what I offered as the starting point offer. So, your post is completely incorrect for this particular player.

The second guy is CB Everett Hernandez, a 4th year CB who I have rated at 55/55. His salary is less than $2M, plus the bonus money which I will be eating if he is traded. His ask is for a 4 year deal, the average of which is LESS THAN the average of the top 20 CBs in the league ($11,650,000). In fact, his salary ask in the 4th and final year is only $10.61M. Negotiating can get him in for far less. I am assuming, if I keep him, that I'll get him for somewhere around $8M a year (salary and bonus). Look at players around the same age with similar overall ratings, like Ohio's Jonah Knox, Camden's Sammie Eiguren, or Boston's Brody Houston, and you'll see they all make more than $8M a year on their contracts. Charlotte's Abel Onnen is in the last year of his contract, but he is making more (over $2M a year in salary and $2M more in bonus). I expect his ask is more, also. The only guy in the grouping that is making less is Boston's Jumbo Talley, who was a 7th round pick, and was renegotiated to a long term deal before his sudden growth spurt. He was renegotiated to a 4 year deal in 2037 free agency stage 9. In 2037 Training Camp, he jumped from 38/38 to 53/53, so his deal got made before he made it to the level of Hernandez and others.

Why your comment bothers me is that it shows you did no research before posting. And it was simply incorrect, as shown here. I have two players on my block, one still young, that will get paid below what other players at their age and level are getting paid. So, finances aren't the issue.

[Delandis]

The biggest issue I see is that people want to put up a block and hope for the best. In leagues like this one, it just doesn't work.

I'd advise owners to take a look at other teams that have a need and make individual offers to those teams.

[Guest]

I was making a general statement of the players I have seen on the trade blocks. With the salary demands in the new version of the game most guys are looking at moving players who either have relatively high salaries or are on the last years of their deals.

Your asking price of a 4th for your tackle is very reasonable. I would assume he resigns for around $12 mil per season. I just would rather spend $10 mil on my own tackle (Deron Ripple) who already has 6 years cohesion.

[Aston]

I can tell you my thoughts. As a team that is 'close' (meaning I feel I'm only a player or 3 away from having a team that can win a championship), I prefer to grab a known quantity rather than an unknown, undeveloped draftee. In this case, I'm willing to pay a HIGH price for a player.

Yes. In the CFL, I traded a 2nd to saw for something like a 10th or 11th year corner because I needed it. Remember that? Another GM had just told him that was a ridiculous asking price given the age. I was more than happy to pay it. You know what I did with my next actual 2nd rounder? Drafted some guy who busted so hard he didn't make it to Week 1. Your CB gave me about 2 solid years of starting. When he left, I spent another 2nd on another old guy.

For Boston, my thinking is: I have all this cap room. If I want a proven guy, I'm going to look in FA and spend the money I have. I'll use the draft to try and get some hits for a young core. Although, LB really interests me.

You did a great summary, Irish. For teams at the bottom, another good player here or there isn't going to make or break in their team. They should hold onto their picks, even their lower ones.

Del makes a great point, too. When I realy want to get something solid back for a guy, I try to look at teams who might be interested and make an offer to them. The alternative is to offer some decent players at low prices and just wait and see what happens.

I think free agency is a lot more spread out, too. As mentioned, acquiring a player means taking on his salary -- and his extension, in some cases. It's kind of like paying double vs spending it in free agency. So I think to an extent, folks are waiting to see how FA pans out, and if that stud they're targeting at $10 or $12M is going to sign with them in stage 5 or not.

That CB I acquired from saw, and the next CB I acquired in similar circumstances, all of this happened in LFA when the dust had settled and I knew my team's cap number for the year. I think things are so fluid right now with all of our teams and we're all looking to see who we sign for free, that it gets in the way of thinking about trades.