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    Links to the players in the draft utility, although you can't really tell without mouse hover.

    Wooo! About my first two picks, Fletcher and Orbik. I'm sure they won't hold to those lofty numbers but they'll do ;) Love how they only show as 15% developed.

    Marsh - I'm sure he'll drop at least 8 points in training camp. Forbes, meh.

    The six round 5/6/7 picks are kinda what I thought...they all come out looking basically like crap. We'll just have to see how they do in camp.
    Last edited by Aston; 07-27-2011, 12:40 AM.
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    QB Hardy Campana comes in at 10/25. He'd better pop BIG in TC. Ouch.

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    • #3
      At 10/25, I would expect Campana to go up by at least 5 future.. He'll probably come out something like 16/30 after camp.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Nutah View Post
        Wooo! About my first two picks, Fletcher and Orbik. I'm sure they won't hold to those lofty numbers but they'll do ;) Love how they only show as 15% developed.
        I think Orbik was the right pick in round 2. He's gonna be pretty damn good barring VSOD.

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        • #5
          I'm more than happy with my results. I also linked my players to the draft utility.

          I'm excited about my two first round picks. Both are immediate starters and while I no longer have a 1st round pick next year, both were positions of dire need for my team.

          My second round pick of Daryl Swift landed about where I expected, though I really wanted Orbik to slide down to me. Swift's combine and bars match my play style rather well, so I expect him to hold up in training camp. Nothing flashy, but a good backup or okay starter until I find my true QB of the future.

          I had hoped to find a starting NT earlier in the draft, but since that didn't happen I snagged Medina in the third. His overall rating might not be too sexy, but he had a good agility combine score so he should be a good run stuffer for us.

          With the 4th round I addressed depth issues on my offensive line. Bo Landers is projected to be my backup LT as he should be good for us in pass protection. Toby Harding had a relatively unspectacular combine, but his game tape wowed us. Hoping we found a keeper here.

          And with my final two picks I took shots at the linebackers that were left on the board. Austin Garrett was drafted to see if we could find a more complete player for our WLB position, while Steve Babbitt was selected to be moved inside as a potential SILB. We believe his ratings will only go up at that position.

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          • #6
            (1) Moe Zimmerman WR 18/23 - DISASTER LOOMS. Not so confident this guy will bump like Campana will.

            (2) Rob Wickes RB 32/63 - Hopefully he doesn't VSOD or drop big in camp.

            (3) Billy Wilkins T 20/49 - Hopefully a solid OL

            (5) Jumbo Freitag CB - 22/47 - I remember wishing I picked some other CB but maybe he'll be ok.

            (6) Glen Bustamante DE - 22/51 - It's sick, but if this guy has a good enough camp he'll start at DE for me.

            (7) Les Sanders T - 14/22 - Getting cut, probably.

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            • #7
              1-16 CB Casey Shannon: 20/42 - 43% dev. we are sure he should move up in TC, combines would agree with our scouting staff.

              2-16 OLB Mario O'Pope: 21/42 - 47% dev. He looks to be a decent OLB all around can do most things, we were hoping for better #'s but lets see what TC brings.

              3-16 RB Billie Joe McCarthy: 27/29 - 52% dev. We think this kid will rise in TC, how much is to be seen. His 40 was the concern but we don't see any reason why some of current bars won't improve based on his combines.

              4-16 TE Antonio Paeth: 22/49 - 26% Dev. The Phnatoms front office is pleased they strayed from the draft plan and took this guy as BPA. Looks liek a solid move and another toy for Castillo to throw to.

              5-16 DT Lamar Hartzel: 22/51 - 46% dev. Lamar was the only DT our scouts liked by this point, they knew what they were looking for, appears to be a solid for a round 5 pick.

              6-16 T V. Sunia: 13/50 - 7% dev. Sunia is raw but has some potential that the front office liked. He can be a backup T whil ehis run blocking is weak, he has the tools to pass protect well.

              7-16 ILB H. Lucas: 14/35 - 26% dev. Overall no complaints with this pick, our other ILB choices always seemed to go before we could choose them. He can play run D, and for a WILB that works.

              Pre trainign camp the Portland brass is optimistic about this class of rooks, the top the picks weren't a high as we hoped, but 4-7 brought in alot of depth and futures look bright for a couple.

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              • #8
                1.32 - G Peter Lotter (34/69 -> 39/66) - 6'2", 307 lbs. Peter looks to have a legitimate shot at starting out of the gate. He will certainly be a backup a multiple spots on the O-Line at minimum.

                2.32 - WR Ray O'Neil (26/56 -> 29/50) - 6'1", 203 lbs. We don't rebuild in Anchorage, we reload and that is exactly how we treat our corps of receivers. We hope to get O'Neil some playing time as the #3 or #4 main this season.

                3.32 - T Ray Gonzales (13/18 -> 17/22) - 6'6", 337 lbs. Ray is a big boy and our scouts think his playing days at Cal were overlooked by a lot of teams.

                4.32 - DT Russell Moss (16/37 -> 22/41) - 6'2", 281 lbs. Not a real need position, but we didn't see any other player that we liked at this point in the draft.

                5.32 - S Gene Harless (19/50 -> 22/46) - 6'3", 215 lbs. Gene looks like a potential steal in the 5th round and would fit our defensive scheme nicely if he is able to develop into his potential.

                6.32 - ILB Will Cox (17/48 -> 20/47) - 6'2, 257 lbs. Will will likely be a backup for us for his first few years in the league.

                7.32 - RB Renaldo Jennings (29/31 -> 31/32) - 6'1", 220 lbs. Mr Irrelevant.
                Last edited by kingfc22; 08-01-2011, 10:39 PM.
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                • #9
                  Wooo! About my first two picks, Fletcher and Orbik. I'm sure they won't hold to those lofty numbers but they'll do ;) Love how they only show as 15% developed.

                  Marsh - I'm sure he'll drop at least 8 points in training camp. Forbes, meh.

                  The six round 5/6/7 picks are kinda what I thought...they all come out looking basically like crap. We'll just have to see how they do in camp.
                  Fletcher and Orbik both drop. A little more concerned about Orbik at this point, especially after I traded away his mentor/incumbent starter Ilardi. But they'll be fine.

                  Marsh...well, he did move 8 points in TC, but up. The hell? Must be volatility, and man did I ever need that. Volatility bumps shouldn't happen to guys like him, but this is a godsend for my secondary.

                  Forbes is still meh, I have a lot of guards. Carlisle I still like, but I'm unenthused. Whalen...very disappointing. Bauer...very un-disappointing! Had no idea what his PRS bar was with all that blue when I took him, but I'm very, very pleased to see it come out as a 92. Ian Subramanian's replacement has, I think, been found. More than I could have asked for when I took that shot in the dark!

                  Also picked up a free agent fullback, K.C. Myers, who looks like he could do alright. Got some options now with the team. Going to be resetting my trade block soon. In particular, it looks like I have a glut of linebackers...and perhaps guards.
                  Last edited by Aston; 08-01-2011, 10:50 PM.
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                  • #10
                    1.21 - QB Hardy Campana - 10/25 -> 13/26 (+3/+1). Well, it's positive, but... really? 13/26 in the first round? I'm thinking much more 'bust' than 'creeper'. I don't see how I can play him over Ike.

                    2.21 - OT Tony Holmes - 25/55 -> 33/55 (+8/0). That's nice. Good size, good strength. I'll take a 50ish OT in the 2nd.

                    3.21 - RB Nick Mayberry - 22/54 -> 22/45 (0/-9). As on the field, A.J. McGee is not looking over his shoulder.

                    4.2 - DT Mel Browning - 29/62 -> 30/54 (+1/-8). Horrible camp, but he's got some skillz (and a good PRS bar). He'll hang around as a backup.

                    4.21 - QB Julio Roaf - 5/37 -> 9/36 (+4/-1). Ok camp, but not showing me anything.

                    5.21 - LB Mack Sevcik - 23/38 -> 26/37 (+3/-1). Ditto, although he has more upside, especially as a 3-4 rushbacker. Not DOA.

                    6.21 - SS Harris Kabinoff - 20/51 -> 23/45 (+3/-6). Cabbage-head. May stay as a ST gimp.

                    7.21 - WR Jimmy Shell - 11/20 -> 12/21 (+1/+1). Meh. Nice BPR, but I'm already pretty blessed in the WR department. Doubt he makes the roster.

                    Pretty weak draft. Holmes is the lone bright spot. Sevcik and Browning may contribute. If I had absolutely nothing else at QB, and/or I was rebuilding, I'd give Campana a shot, but as is... disappointing, to say the least.

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                    • #11
                      1.8 CB Vernon Gentala 35/73->41/74 +6/+1
                      1.22 WR Rico "Suave" Knight 39/69->45/69 +6/0
                      2.25 QB Daryl Swift 17/45->20/41 +3/-5
                      3.15 DT Reubin Medina 25/50->27/46 +2/-4
                      4.14 T Bo Landers 16/46->22/46 +6/0
                      4.23 C Toby Harding 15/65->17/58 +2/-7
                      5.13 OLB Austin Garrett 24/43->25/38 +1/-5
                      7.14 OLB Steve Babbitt 11/56->14/49 +3/-7

                      Undrafted rookies:
                      S Brady Graul 10/52->14/46 +4/-6
                      S Tyrus Woodson 11/36->16/40 +5/+4

                      Overall a good haul for me. Obviously I'm happy with my two first rounders. Day one starters the both of them and they earned it through training camp.

                      QB Swift fell off a little more than I would've liked, but I took a shot at him. Hopefully he learns the system quickly so he can be a legit backup, but I'll be on the lookout for a QB come the offseason.

                      I figured Medina was going to drop off. All I need from him is to stop the run and he continues to look like he'll be able to do just that.

                      Bo Landers surprised me in TC. He put forth good effort and I look forward to having him as a backup T for the next few season.

                      Mr. Harding at C was obviously going to drop off in TC. Staff knew that going in. We still like what we see with him if he can continue to develop throughout the season. As it he may be on the practice squad due to our depth at C.

                      We moved Austin Garrett to WLB and hoped his rush skills would shine through. Sadly he didn't show us enough. He'll make the roster, but only as a backup and even then he might not see much game time.

                      Babbitt also fell off a bit as expected. He has more of a chance to stay with us for the long term, but it may be a struggle for him to make the opening day roster.

                      Last but not least my undrafted safeties. Tyrus Woodson worked his butt off and is going to make the team, while Brady Graul has a little more to show us. We liked both of these pickups though and will definitely keep them around for the season.

                      Morgantown got most of what was needed in this draft, namely a starting cornerback and receiver. The rest is just icing on the cake.

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                      • #12
                        Still out of town...can someone post St Paul if they have time and let me know how many are on my roster. Max is 53 right?

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                        • #13
                          Matt, max is 60 for the preseason and 53 for the regular season.

                          You have 58 on the roster, so you're good to go. Cap room is 21.45 million.

                          Jug posted the changetracker results recently which should cover your team.

                          Here are the cliff notes for your rookies though:


                          FB Rich Gregory 61/61->67/67
                          C Norm Conley 22/53->28/56
                          CB Irv Schroeder 19/38->23/39
                          WR Ian Turner 11/35->13/34
                          RB Craig Jacomy 31/49->33/46
                          OG Bryce Velthoen 20/54->23/50
                          FB Kevin Connell 33/61->35/56
                          C Morris Heflin 18/59->23/54

                          You did very well in that 2nd round!
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                          • #14
                            Thanks buddy!

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                            • #15
                              1.30 OLB Gary King (12/34) -14/-32

                              Bwahahahaha!

                              2.30 LT Korey Morton (26/45) +7/0

                              Good gain in current and nice that he didn't drop any potential, still not too sure about him long term but the New Jersey native is the only one of my top 3 picks who will even make the team.

                              3.30 FS Gary Booker (16/27) -6/-8

                              Moved him to safety where there was a chance his ratings might improve. They didn't, he's gone.

                              4.30 LDE Rondell Tyler (25/37) +3/+4

                              Even before TC I liked my 4-5-6 choices better than my top three. Would have liked to see a little more gain out of him in TC, but after my frist three picks, I'll take it.

                              5.30 RDE Harvey Toledo (23/48) +3/0

                              If he can keep holding on to that 48 he could turn into a decent pick.

                              6.30 LG Kelly Evison (32/36) +8/+7

                              Moved him to guard because I can never have enough guards. Will compete with Earnest Bronson (who dropped 4 points this camp, after picking up 14 last year) for the #3 spot.

                              7.30 NT Eric Poston (22/34) +1/-1

                              No big TC gains, no affinities, no reason to make the team.


                              Undrafted Free Agents

                              K Lionel Yanez (24/44) +2/+6
                              WLB Stan Riley (7/19) +2/+4
                              LCB Stephen Sawyer (22/39) +2/0
                              FS Robbie Kellog (14/31) +2/-1
                              RB Lance Ellingson (30/36) +2/-2
                              TE Barry Grier (17/30) +2/-2


                              Almost picked Yanez in the 7th round, probably should have instead of wasting the pick on Poston. Riley's +4 gain intrigues me, but I'm not sure if I have a roster spot to hold onto a guy who may only creep up into the low 30's even if his bars look to be set up perfectly for a 3-4 WLB. Sawyer and Kellog will probably make the team for special teams and affinities but RB Ellingson's days were numbered as soon as I signed Ian Osborn. Grier could end up with Tracy Narcisse's job as a long snapper.
                              Last edited by rando; 08-05-2011, 04:19 PM.

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