Renegotiation Rules - PROPOSAL

[BradZ]

Hey guys, I'd like to get as many responses as we can before we officially kick off the next offseason on Monday. 2 options, we live with the current reneg rule (player has to be in the last year of their contract) OR we do away with the rule and all renegotiations are fair game.

[Guest]

id just liek to say the whole idea of the reneg rule was at least from my understanding was to keep realisim for the game, if were going away from that then we should pretty much do away with everythign else then not to sound liek an extremest but the reneg rule pretty much ensures no salary cap issues thus no really good FA's (except CPU)

but as in Utahs post earlier said some teams have to make decsions on players now where if you can reneg every year as some will do then you wont ever haveto worry

[Aston]

It's less about realism than it is about competitive balance IMO.

It is getting very easy for a team to land into cap trouble. Any good player is going to demand more or less ransom money. I am all for allowing teams to get into cap trouble they have to manage, but I don't want to see teams get screwed and owners discouraged from continuing, because they have horrible cap situations and they can't deal with them.

By "deal with them" we are talking about taking some 11th year declining vet, reducing his big contract slightly for this year while increasing it the next and probably tacking on another year to the contract. A desperation move to squeeze out a couple million when you really need it. I think that is totally within the bounds of being fair and reasonable.

I guess I can see a reason for not allowing rookie renegotiations. You don't gain much if anything by renegotiating a rookie bust. But extending a rookie heavy creeper early has the potential to be a pretty cheap ploy, IMO.

FWIW, I've never even wanted to renegotiate anybody not in the last year of their contract. I think it's the kind of thing you do when you are already in some trouble, and teams should be allowed that tiny bit of breathing room if they so choose...it isn't really long-term healthy anyways.

[Guest]

The reason to get rid of it (IMO) is to take a now-unnecessary rule off the books. The point of this rule in any league stems from the earlier days of FOF when one could really game the reneg system. This is not the case anymore.

I'd encourage people that are against this rule to really examine the ramifications. Just do a quick look at your roster and check the reneg requests (you'll need an earlier file than current). Try and see where these major savings are now.

The rule was compensation for an FOF shortcoming that isn't there anymore.

[Nemesis]

The reason to get rid of it (IMO) is to take a now-unnecessary rule off the books. The point of this rule in any league stems from the earlier days of FOF when one could really game the reneg system. This is not the case anymore.

I'd encourage people that are against this rule to really examine the ramifications. Just do a quick look at your roster and check the reneg requests (you'll need an earlier file than current). Try and see where these major savings are now.

The rule was compensation for an FOF shortcoming that isn't there anymore.

I'm a bit in shock that this proposal is even close.

I think the people who are suggesting to keep the old rule in place are thinking that if the rule exists, then that'll mean more FA's will hit the market, because teams won't be able to afford them. That's incorrect, plain and simple. And I hope that's not your sole purpose for wanting to keep the old rule in place.

[Guest]

not sure why its so shocking. i mean its just s different wrinkle that makes the OSFL unique. it add a bit more challenge to the game it makes roster management an issue. when i first got here the previous owner had "sold out" to make the post season.

i was IIRC 5 mil over the cap. i couldnt resign Sammy Slade one of the all time greats at wr and cut my starting safety because nobody else was in the last year of the contract

even last year when i (stunningly) signed allen rose i had to do some serious renegotiating. but i was ok because i had cleared cap space and had a couple of guys i wasnt sure about either cutting or resigning.

i mean look at what motor city did this year with only 46 players i tip my hat. hes stayed competitive (winning the division) even after paying $30 mil/ yr for a cb just adds another layer of challenge to the game

[Guest]

I agree with Columbus. I'm shocked it's even a close vote too. It's my understanding leagues had this rule because there used to be a way to exploit game mechanics that no longer exists.

[Guest]

im just curious what mechanic you guys are referring to?

[mike17]

You used to be able to renegotiate guys and get them to accept much less money. It seems like with the current patch this bug no longer works. If a guy makes 4 million a year, he won't ever take less than that unless he takes a big ratings hit or gets seriously injured or something.

[Plastic]

FA bidding can get out of hand with high quality guys. Without this rule, whoever wins the battle can then try to negotiate a contract more to the players ability over the later years of the outrageous contract.

[Aston]

I do not have a good example of that on my team, so if someone does, grab a playoff file from last season and post some numbers.

The only FA guy I gave a really crazy bid to recently, WR Marvin Daluiso, I landed him on a 5 year, $36 million deal that was 85% bonus. So I could have renegotiate him for 5 years, 15 million last year, but it would only increase the cap cost for the guy on the remainder of the years of the contract.

I suppose if you land a high quality guy without giving him so much bonus in the contract, you could save yourself some cap space.

[mike17]

In the RNFL we have no renegotiation rules. I gave a guy a 5 year - 55 mil contract. He didn't play like he was worth that much, but he wouldn't renegotiate for less. I ended up cutting the guy after 3 years because I couldn't afford him anymore

[Guest]

Who was the CB who went for a bazillion dollars two years ago?

[Guest]

Who was the CB who went for a bazillion dollars two years ago?

J. Montoya, I think?

[Guest]

FA bidding can get out of hand with high quality guys. Without this rule, whoever wins the battle can then try to negotiate a contract more to the players ability over the later years of the outrageous contract.