Top 3 picks you like from Rd 1 & then Rd 2.

[irabowman]

First 2 rounds are in the books so lets talk about the picks you liked that were made. Let's say you can't vote for who you picked.

OK Here are the picks I personally liked.
1.2 San Fran DT Hale ( He was so close to be the #1 pick, I personally thought he go #2. )
1.16 Memphis G McCorkle ( I thought he was best O/L to me nice pick @ #16 )
1.20 Pearle Harbor RB Grim ( Top RB and it errrked my chain I missed him by 1 pick )

2.1 Boston S Evans ( Last of the really good D players )
2.21 Punxsutawney T Newhart ( Felt he was the best T out of the 5 that went in 6 picks. )
2.28 Brooklyn WR Katzman ( One of the few WR's I liked )

[Aston]

This is a really cool idea, Ira.

[Guest]

Everyone seems to be picking well but I personally like...

Timothy Alfaro at 1.13 - FoosballWizard
Connor Meadows 1.22 - sawblade300
Eugene Shapiro 1.26 - Strickzilla (good value pick)

Johnathan Evans 2.1 - aston (should have been a 1st rounder)
Louis Lewis 2.9 - King Kosar (great name, looks good)
Noah Ingram 2.13 - sgran

[Cory]

I'll play along.

I really liked the Pearl Harbor pick of Rickey Grim at 1.20. He looks to be a good all-around back and there was no depth at that position this year, so him falling to 20 made him a great bargain for a team that needed some help in the backfield.

Connor Meadows at 1.22 to Punxatawny was another one I liked. The only thing that allowed him to drop that far was his endurance bar. If not for that I would have snagged him at 1.16. I think he's going to be a very solid receiver, and was a great value pick for sawblade.

1.2 Sawyer Money to New Orleans was a great pick. He's going to be a stud CB and with his INT bar and Robertson playing on the other side it's going to be a long time before anybody feels comfortable throwing against NO. Going CB 1.1 and 1.2 in consecutive years is ballsy, but I like it.

Nathaniel Whiting to Washington at 2.26 was a good pickup. This was another one I liked because it's a good value pick at a position that just drops off a cliff for the rest of the draft. If you needed a TE this year I hope you didn't wait to the 3rd round to try to grab one. At this point in the second getting a TE who can block and pick up some clutch first downs is great, and Whiting looks like that kind of player to me.

Jordan Supple going 2.12 to Dakota was another great pick. It wasn't the sexiest pick on the board, but this guy can lay some wood when it comes to blocking. He's going to be the unsung hero late in the game. He's basically like throwing a sixth O-Lineman on the field, with the added bonus of having good hands and great special teams abilities.

I also liked Port City picking Riddick Haroldson at 2.14. If you don't have one of the first picks in the draft you're not going to get a stud franchise QB. Riddick Haroldson is the next best thing, and at 2.14 I think he was a steal. He can throw anything under 20 yards very well, and his low RD score combined with a decent Sol and average INT makes me think he'll be able to keep the ball away from the defenders. The one fear with him is that he's got a little RG3 in him and likes to take off when being pressured. That's something I could live with in a mid-2nd rounder. Considering Port only has 2 former 7th round picks at the QB position, this fills a major need without gambling the future of the franchise.

[IrishGuy65]

1.7 Safety Claude Dugger. In my opinion, the #1 player in the draft. Getting him at 1.7 is a steal.

1.13 OLB Timothy Alfaro. Had him #2 player in the draft. Again, a steal at 1.13.

1.30 ILB Philip Bergeron. Had him as the #2 ILB in the draft and #20 overall player.

2.8 G Tre Waerig. Was the #2 G in the draft and #31 overall on my list. Getting him with the 40th pick in the draft is good value. Of course, many 1st and 2nd round offensive linemen rarely pan out, so we'll see how it goes.

2.12 FB Jordan Supple. Ratings wise, he'll be a great pick. Not sure about position wise. But he should be at least in the 70s rating, IMO.

2.27 CB Eric Stephens. Maybe not the BEST pick, but I think the most interesting in the draft. I would have made a move to get him if he leaked into the 3rd round. Bars all suck, but very, very good combines. He'll hit the roster very light, maybe in the 20s for potential. The key will be what he looks like after training camp. I'll definitely keep my eye on him, he's a very interesting specimen.

[Delandis]

1.2 Sawyer Money (S)
-All cash right here. I think he's the best PLAYER in the draft. I'm not sure if the thought is to move him to corner, but that's probably where he belongs. Sometimes it pays to be terrible.

1.30 Jonathan Evans (S)
-I keep asking myself, why didn't you pick him? He looks like a huge steal at 1.30 but I've got to believe that one of these safeties is fools gold. Yea, ummm......that's the reason I didn't pick him.

2.21 Brady Newhart (T)
-I'm not sure how he fell this far in the draft but, a 1st round talent late in the 2nd round (according to my scouts).

[Guest]

I say 1.19 Herb Hartman is the steal of the draft.

[Aston]

1.19 CB Herb Hartman - Columbus/Nemesis
1.26 DE Eugene Shapiro - Phoenix/strickzilla
1.22 WR Connor Meadows - Punsutawney/sawblade300

I was quite high on Shapiro and thought he had a chance to get to me in Round 1. Alas! Meadows was one of my interviews and looks like pretty solid value in the late 1st.

2.24 ILB Courtney Hutek - Camden/rando
2.08 OG Tre Waerig - Brooklyn/bomber
2.03 QB J.C. Hartman - Kalispel/CPU

Hutek was nearly my pick at the top of round 2, and I was hoping he would drop down to my second pick of the round. Hartman is an interesting one. He has the look of a capable (but not star) QB and is maybe a safer shot than most to actually get there. Let's say a 45/45 QB with decent SR and some capable skills. A 2nd round investment isn't pretty low risk for a player like that, if they can put him in position to succeed.

[Delandis]

And that's the vets showing why I'll never win because I don't see why Hartman is such a steal.

[Aston]

Oh. lol. I don't think he's such a steal. I just looked over the list quickly and threw some names out there.

[IrishGuy65]

And that's the vets showing why I'll never win because I don't see why Hartman is such a steal.

I agree. I had Hartman ranked 4th highest CB. And, honestly, I think there's a chance that Eric Stephens is better than him. But I wouldn't take the risk on Stephens for less than a 3rd, as it is purely risk.

I'll offer some reasons why I don't think he's that good:

1) Low endurance.
2) One dimensional cover guy. Can only cover well in man. Can play some zone and little bump and run. I've come to learn, the hard way, that you need multifaceted CBs to be successful defensively, and if you are using a 1st round pick, you better have a guy good at two different coverages, at least.
3) Static bar. Since everyone talks about it soooooooo much, I have done a lot of research recently on it. Sometimes, an overrated static bar means that a guy is underrated, and will grow towards the static bar. Sometimes, it means that the static bar is a false read, and the guys is going to drop. Sometimes, it means nothing at all. Basically, from my research a static bar don't mean shit. It's like a poker player... he only remembers when he loses with the pocket aces, not the times he wins with them. Same thing here, most people only remember when they get a big jump from a guy with a bigger static bar than his corresponding combine shows... So, many will say 'look at his punishing hitter bar, it's great, so he will be great!'. I say, SOMETIMES he will be great, sometimes, he will be what he seems to be, and sometimes, he will be a dud.

I didn't scout him, but I'd be interested to hear what other people's scouts said about him.

For the record, I don't think he's awful or terrible or anything. I just think he's over hyped. I think he'll be a decent CB... He was my 4th highest rated CB. Out of a whole class, 4th usually is a pretty solid player. At 1.19, he wasn't a steal. I'd say he was a little bit of a reach. I had him early 2nd round talent.

[Aston]

Oh. I thought you were talking about the QB Hartman that I threw out there to get to a 3rd guy for the 2nd round.

I actually really like the CB Hartman. To address Irish's points:

1) Maybe...I wouldn't bet on it. END bars are often nothing close to what they start looking at. And for DBs of course, we have no combine to refer to here.

2) If he has 40 zone, I wouldn't say it's one dimensional, but it isn't ideal. For CBs, I do think M2M is the top bar to have, though. Now, if he only has M2M and INT it will be a little disappointing -- but that's still 2 coverage bars. And I would expect him to perform pretty well.

3) Ah. I guess we're down to this. Now, Hartman is the (nowadays, much rarer) player that I would say fits pretty close to exactly the mold of a static bar jumper (his bars are a bit high to me, I suppose). If volatility doesn't take a swing here, I guess we'll see. 6.5 grade. 13 bench. Really high PH and INT. Relatively lower other bars that might not be.

Just so we're clear on definitions by the way, I think if he's going to be a high 50s/low 60s CB, it's a win, especially at 1.19. So it's clear, nobody here is saying the guy is going to have 80 in every bar, and that is *quite* unlikely. The other two CBs are great prospects so it makes sense for him to be #3 in the position group. Kimrin also looks pretty darn good. IMO, Eric Stephens doesn't have a chance to be better.

[Guest]

I say 1.19 Herb Hartman is the steal of the draft.

+1..

[irabowman]

CB Hartman, my scout is only about 69 on his scouting bar Show that PH & Int could hit 100 so I'd guess 90's, PR & KR as possible 0's BR about 45 MAX, Endurance will be around 50. Everything else as appox 75. I also got possible conflict guessing it would be with my starting CB I currently have.

When you all talk about Static Bar I am lost what you are talking about there, so I am going try and research what static Bar is and try to understand it on the FOFC boards.

[Guest]

Ok maybe I am exaggerating a bit about Hartman. I hoped in this draft I would get my LB and then trade up to get Hartman. But I couldn't find anyone to trade with.

On the other hand, I did decide (after trading down from 1.2) that if I got one player in the 1st that it would be the LB. So there must have been something about Hartman that made me hesitate.

He is VU, though, and already seems to have nice bars.