Ac west week 7

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Now Strick, to argue the other side of your point. Your best back is usually the guy put in for short yardage situations. Those runs can bring the YPC average down a bit. So maybe that's the reason for your observations.

Also, I have seen another theory floating. It is true that the 2nd back often has better YPC numbers than the starter. I have seen the argument that it is because he comes into the game fresh, while the starting back has worn down the defense a bit.

Anyhow, there is no way to know 100% without doing some serious testing. And even if you are right that you can get your best back better YPC numbers, the question then becomes if it will give the team overall better results. I know at least one example of an offense that will put up fantastic individual numbers but overall the benefits to the team are rather dubious.

[Aston]

If you didn't get the D&D reference, you're not a nerd. :D

well, it's just that I'd thought of FOF as more of an intellectual endeavor, you know, sort of like reading Shakespeare's stuff. And now I'm finding out it isn't the case!

Now I must play it in shame, along with my Pokemon games.

[Aston]

Also, I have seen another theory floating. It is true that the 2nd back often has better YPC numbers than the starter. I have seen the argument that it is because he comes into the game fresh, while the starting back has worn down the defense a bit.

I think I saw this to an extent last year, and currently this year in the CFL. My starter is a stud, and my backup is not at his level at all. However, my starter has yet to break 4 ypc and the backup, with a healthy number of carries, is at 5 or something, despite not being a big-play threat.

Sort of like the Julius Jones/Marion Barber conundrum a few years back, I guess. Or was it Barber/Felix Jones, I forget. Was the backup better than the starter? Or was it just because of his situational use that he was able to be featured on some of those runs.

I'm not sure the difference is all that significant. Just that the potential for a lesser quality backup to surpass the starter in ypc, is there. It might have more to do with chance than it has to do with the abilities of the respective players though - or maybe just how you run your running game, and how well it fits each player's respective abilities. You can't exactly choose to run one guy between the tackles more than another, which I think is a little disappointing.

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also you have to take into account any big run by a backup skews his ypc in 2015 lacasse averaged 8+ypc clearly hes not that good but he only had 25 carries, (6 of 10+ yds) the lowest toatal of his career, with a long of 63 so that skewed his average way up with so few carries. he clearly had some good dice rolls

conversely in 2015 will shumway had his highest ypc in a season 4.55. chuck you have a good point about fatigue but we need to remember its not like ina real game a rb on carry 5 vs carry 25 IRL will be a very different player vs our game he may be fatigued but that fatigue in this game is expressed by him simply not getting on the field as opposed to being "gassed"

i admit the study in the Vnfl about endurance may have merit and it may have an effect of reduction in performance but mccumbers endurance bar is anywhere from 10 to 20 points higer than shumways.


teh more i look at cucumber tho and the more we talk abotu this, and i enjoy this guys, is PERHAPS his low elusiveness is to blame? IIRC its the ablity to make guys miss, and ive not watch mccumber run other than against me, but myabe in real life terms he doesnt have any "shake" in watching sole this year more than ever ive seen a lot of "shumway maeks a move" or "he juked LB so and so to get a big gain" even for lacasse a lot of his runs are "he breaks a tackle" or "he sheds a defender" \

all i can say is i would LOVE to have cucumber on my team and see what i could do with him. and again as chuck said having him produce better may not lead to more wins, im living proof of that. this whole thing was just about cucumber IMHO under performing not so much wins

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I'm just saying that I doubt that more carries = better long term performance from a stud RB. As for the more wins thing, what I meant is you can set a passing game plan that gives your WRs really great stats but it is not necessarily a winning strategy. Maybe something similar exists for RBs.

I personally think that endurance has more impact on just how many plays a RB gets in on. The indirect evidence for that comes when you call your own plays in solevision.

I really think that the blame here lies solely at the feet of his offensive line. I would also check the games to see how much his opponent stacked run defenses on him.

Also, I thought elusiveness was the skill that allowed backs to turn losses into a short gain? I must admit that I am not up to date on RB skills, though.

[nelmsm]

I'm tending to the belief that it's my offensive line. Injuries made a shambles out of them for the last few weeks. I think they all will be healthy next week and we'll see.