Well, Baseball America updated...

[Sully]

Liquid, your team may be terrible, but it doesn't take much to climb back on top in that division. Shoot for .500 next season and you're division champs!

[Jistic]

You should probably trade one of those CF's to me.

[liquidcrash]

Since this is the BA thread, I think Dimmick must have lost his prospect status since my system has been put back on top of the list. Here are the Carolina players in the top 100:

4. C Eron Deleon (A)
14. SP Ivan Martinez (AA)
19. 1B Ismael Reyes (AAA)
32. SP Val Aparicio (AA)
44. 2B Adrian Romero (AAA)
46. RF Al Hamilton (AA)
58. LF Doug Gill (A)
68. SP Reno Lopez (AA)
69. CF Pat Faulkner (A)
81. SP Jody Scoley (AAA)
83. CF Dana Phillips (AA)
97. CF Ivan Cervantes (AA)

I don't like how Aparicio has fallen on this list. He's been great in AA at age 19 (14-4, 2.17 ERA), but he's dropped consistently and my scout doesn't like him quite as much anymore.

My team is terrible, so I have to look for whatever bright spots I can find.

[liquidcrash]

I will consider a player's expectations, but won't let it rule me.

If a guy is struggling in A ball and he expects to be in the Majors, my assumption is he is underperforming because he's unhappy where he is. I haven't actually studied it, but I most recently experienced that with Narita (AAA) and he's been improving since getting promoted to AAA despite struggling in AA. He's been demanding to play in the majors since he was drafted.

I've seen the same before. I thought Ismael Reyes was underperforming at AA last season but I moved him up to AAA. So far, he's done pretty well there.

I've also had guys "not ready" for the level they're in do just fine. I don't think there's any right way to do it.

[Carlos]

I will consider a player's expectations, but won't let it rule me.

If a guy is struggling in A ball and he expects to be in the Majors, my assumption is he is underperforming because he's unhappy where he is. I haven't actually studied it, but I most recently experienced that with Narita (AAA) and he's been improving since getting promoted to AAA despite struggling in AA. He's been demanding to play in the majors since he was drafted.

[liquidcrash]

It always seems to me that the recommendations in the Minor League System report are either a little conservative or not updated frequently enough. It almost never tells me that any of my players are ready to be moved up, even if their ratings indicate they are and they are dominating their competition.

I don't really have a rule for when I promote players. I just look at their ratings and their stats and make a judgment call.

Does anyone go by the player's expectations? I've got a couple guys in AAA that expect to be "playing in the majors." One of them is actually unhappy because he's not. I think there's probably 3 hitters on my AAA team that will probably get a callup to the BLB in September and have a realistic shot at making my opening day lineup next season, so they won't have to wait too much longer.

[Delandis]

We tend to excel at recognizing when hitters are ready for the bigs.


Pitchers......not so much.

[Matt]

I just go by the manual which confuses me even more.

Coaching / management

The coaching / managing ratings of the general manager, manager, bench coach, hitting coach, and pitching coach can all affect a player's development. See Personnel Ratings for more information.


Playing time

Minor league players who get little playing time might not develop as quickly as others. However, major league players and players on a reserve roster develop normally even without playing time.


Potential / individual qualities

Very talented players often (but not always) develop more quickly. In addition, some players simply develop more quickly than others. You might be baffled by the high-potential player who fails to live up to expectations, or be pleasantly surprised by the late-round draft pick who quickly advances.

Challenge

Players respond differently to challenges. Often, a player who is tearing up Double A hitting might not be developing very quickly, because he isn't being challenged. Similarly, putting an over matched rookie into your major league starting lineup could actually hurt his development.

[Carlos]

We have a system. It's called playing well.

Disregard all of 1992 as there are guys in the big leagues that shouldn't be up there right now. But, you know, we had no choice.

But seriously, Denver has a system. Especially with its pitchers. It has worked well for us. Again, I rather some guys not be in the big leagues right now, but I also rather they face turmoil now than have to deal with free agent fill-ins on my staff.

The hitters...well, I won't pretend to know what the heck I'm doing with hitters. I've always had an eye for pitching in OOTP. Hitters continue to elude me.

[Clay]

I use to wait for the OSA reports to say "Ready".... then Andrew taught me his promotion formula (insert "having the Commish file" jokes). Since then, it's worked pretty well for me. I think I get a lot of guys who are maybe a half year early, but so far it's prevented sophomore slumps.

[Pat]

I knew exactly what you meant and yes it was the method I was thinking of. I just wanted to use that quote.

I know...I was explaining it to our "special" owners....you know...Jistic...Funclown...

[Lintyfresh85]

Ok... what I meant by 3.5 is this...

Lets say Lim is a 4 in control vs. RHP but a 3 vs. LHP... in my mind, that's a 3.5.

I move guys that only have one rating point remaining up a level when they reach a .5 stage.

For example, if a hitter is a 5 in contact, I'll move him to AAA when he's a 4.5 and to the BLB when he's a 5, if that makes sense.

[BradZ]

I knew exactly what you meant and yes it was the method I was thinking of. I just wanted to use that quote.

[Pat]

Not only that quote, but that entire scene is one of the best in film history......I choose.....business ethics....


What I mean by sorting by ratings....look at your entire organization by ratings...sort them in order of say, control, like in this example. You will probably have a few "6s" on control, a bunch of "5s" and on down. But they are sorted by order of the overall rating, not just the single digit. For example, your organization could have 15 players that have a "5" on control. The one at the top is probably a lot closer to a "6" then the guy at the bottom. Likely, the guy near the top is actually something like 550-599 and the guy at the bottom is probably 500-510. Hopefully that makes more sense.

With that said...it's still your scouts opinion and unless you are Clay Shaver, sometimes your scout is wrong.

[BradZ]

Sort by ratings.





Boom.

Mr. McLaughlin, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.