Renegotiation Rules - PROPOSAL

[Guest]

FA bidding can get out of hand with high quality guys. Without this rule, whoever wins the battle can then try to negotiate a contract more to the players ability over the later years of the outrageous contract.

1, this just isn't true anymore, since 6.3. Players are much more 'aware' of what they're making.

2, the only 'exception' would be if you landed a prime FA with a ton of salary and not much bonus. Which is next to impossible to do. Bonus always trumps salary, and if you land a guy with a ton of bonus, you are on the hook for that no matter how you renegotiate.

If FOF came out today, with no previous knowledge, this rule would never be up for discussion. It's just not an issue anymore.

It obviously looks like it's not going to pass this go-around, but I hope people really take a look at this this season.

And FWIW, it doesn't bother me having the rule in place. Just seems entirely unnecessary anymore and causes (potential) confusion for people in multiple leagues - where just about every other league has already realized this and done away with an archaic rule.

[Nemesis]

If FOF came out today, with no previous knowledge, this rule would never be up for discussion. It's just not an issue anymore.

If anyone should take anything away from reading this thread, this should be it.

[Plastic]

1, this just isn't true anymore, since 6.3. Players are much more 'aware' of what they're making.

If FOF came out today, with no previous knowledge, this rule would never be up for discussion. It's just not an issue anymore.

Can you send me to a FOFC post or other leagues page about this and other things this patch has fixed? Not that I don't believe you, but I only play in this MP league now and I never play SP so I would like to read up on some more of these changes that I haven't yet seen. I feel like I am out of the loop now.

[Guest]

Can you send me to a FOFC post or other leagues page about this and other things this patch has fixed? Not that I don't believe you, but I only play in this MP league now and I never play SP so I would like to read up on some more of these changes that I haven't yet seen. I feel like I am out of the loop now.

No problem, I hear ya. Looking now. Unfortunately, the IHOF discussion was in 'Owners Only', so no link there. It did pass 25-3, 1 abstain, and that was with a 20% cap reduction along with it.

Will see what I can dredge up in WOOF & FOFC.

[Plastic]

No problem, I hear ya. Looking now. Unfortunately, the IHOF discussion was in 'Owners Only', so no link there. It did pass 25-3, 1 abstain, and that was with a 20% cap reduction along with it.

Will see what I can dredge up in WOOF & FOFC.

I have had some time this morning and peeked around at FOFC, but didn't see much about this.

How is the 20% cap reduction working? Does it create some more interesting FA periods?

[Guest]

Here's the WOOF discussion, for the most part -

http://www.fof-woof.com/forum/showth...0021#post50021

I will say, both of these leagues had 25% cap-reductions in place. I still think it's worth it even without that. As noted in the discussion, the jump in QB demands alone was significant.

[Guest]

I have had some time this morning and peeked around at FOFC, but didn't see much about this.

How is the 20% cap reduction working? Does it create some more interesting FA periods?

It's pretty much perfect, to be honest. Really makes for hard decisions and good FA pools. You can still keep your core together, but takes some work. Not sure how it'd fly here, but I like it.

[Nemesis]

It's pretty much perfect, to be honest. Really makes for hard decisions and good FA pools. You can still keep your core together, but takes some work. Not sure how it'd fly here, but I like it.

I agree with the above.

There's a dual effect of the cap reduction.

1) Creates tighter cap conditions for each team, making it harder to keep your talented players forever, thus creating balanced rosters.

2) To compound #1, you create a stronger FA market of stars, which skyrockets the pay for these players which further amplifies the effects of the cap reduction.

It's not perfect, but neither is the FOF defaults.

If there's one thing that I like about it, it makes you build your roster around specific types of players. You know, the ole "right bars in right places" theme.

That's how I see it all anyway.

PS: Plastic, I missed your question prior about how Ben does the reduction. I'm not sure how he does the reduction. I don't think he's signing players to teams at 25% of the cap, then cutting them. I haven't seen players on my transaction report that suggests that's what he's doing. I could be wrong, and he may be doing that as a work around, but I see no evidence of that. As far as I know, it's just an addon that allows him to edit the cap penalties. He'd probably be best to answer that question really (if you still read the boards Ben, can you elaborate how that's done?).

[Guest]

I guess we could drop the rule or not, either way I would expect most renegotiations to be in the final year of a guys contract given the info I am reading. It just wouldn't pay to renegotiate before that.

[Plastic]

PS: Plastic, I missed your question prior about how Ben does the reduction. I'm not sure how he does the reduction. I don't think he's signing players to teams at 25% of the cap, then cutting them. I haven't seen players on my transaction report that suggests that's what he's doing. I could be wrong, and he may be doing that as a work around, but I see no evidence of that. As far as I know, it's just an addon that allows him to edit the cap penalties. He'd probably be best to answer that question really (if you still read the boards Ben, can you elaborate how that's done?).

Thanks nemesis. That is interesting maybe Ben will enlighten us :)

[Guest]

J. Montoya, I think?

Ah, yes, this is who Nutah was referring to. Looks like the final year of his contract is for $39 million. Insane.

Should be interesting to see how MTC handles their cap this year and going forward.

[scorp]

The last year rule doesn't "need" to be there, the game itself takes care of that, if you want to keep things more competative add in dead cap space ala WOOF, CCFL etc, you just don't have the $ to keep everyone then.

[Aston]

Ah, yes, this is who Nutah was referring to. Looks like the final year of his contract is for $39 million. Insane.

Should be interesting to see how MTC handles their cap this year and going forward.

Yeah, and to be clear there's nothing wrong with a contract like that.

[BradZ]

Due to the close nature of the vote on this issue we will stick with the status quo for one more season at least. I'd like to keep an open dialogue on this issue for the remainder of this season and revisit towards the end of the year heading into 2020. Thanks for everyone's thoughts and opinions. Anyone who feels strongly about this issue, feel free to continue lobbying for your position in advance of the next vote.

[scorp]

IF we are going to change the cap by a reduction, it would be a good move to announce it a season before it takes effect. It would change FA. just don't want a team to go from tight to cap hell all at once without much warning.