2027 Draft Discussion

[Aston]

I'm personally heartbroken for Los Alamos. Hoped at least he would get that nice S->CB convert after passing on the two studs and moving down, but Chicago snatched him right up. Still, the guy they got has a real high adjusted grade, at least.

[Matt]

After waiting 1 day the only guy I wanted is gone. I'm not picking anytime soon now. This pick is for sale.

[Guest]

After waiting 1 day the only guy I wanted is gone.

In the interest of speeding up the draft, I will trade you the QB for the 1.11 and a boat load of extra picks.

Although, I am sure my QB will suck. I am no longer good at this game, if I ever was good at it to begin with.

[Aston]

Although, I am sure my QB will suck. I am no longer good at this game, if I ever was good at it to begin with.

*snort.* you're a funny man, chuckie!

[Edirash]

I also wanted that QB, and mine was one of the offers that ryan had over the table. Cause I knew that Matt would pick him, or chuck at the 1.12. When ANC got the pick, I was writing the same offer to chuck, but then stopped, cause I thought he knew that I was going for the same guy and I didn't want to offer the moon to jump 4 picks ahead, and I wasn't. Maybe I should have given a try, but the good is that I've made me the idea that I wasn't going to pick him, so added a bunch of guys to my list, or maybe I should trade the pick if the right offer comes.

So, yeah, don't play the humble role! You're a heartbreaker!

Maybe that guy isn't a franchise QB for a whole decade, but he will be pretty solid, I will say mid-50. And for me that's enough for a QB with the right tools.

[Guest]

This is why I suck at picking QBs. Anyone care to share why he's so special? I tend to base a lot off of combines, but when the bars are so bad and not (obviously) masked, I back off. Like Edirash says, *maybe* 50s? He'll bump nice in camp, but from like 20 to 28?

[Guest]

I have 3 picks in my queue, any one of which I'd be very happy with. 5 selections to go. What're the odds...

I got very lucky here, btw... top guy I had in my queue was the WRONG guy. Not in order, but I'd literally picked the wrong guy entirely off the list.

[Edirash]

If it helps, I also suck drafting QBs And also had bad experiences with QBs with low bars, though I've never gone with one this high in a draft. The thing is, his bars aren't that low as others QBs I've seen before. Before the TC he will start around 40-42 I guess (throwing a random number here), if not higher cause his avoid int bar seems to be high. Obviously, his bars have to be better, looking at his combine, doesn't have zero bars, good sense rush, low int. And my scout had him Very Underrated which match what I thought about him before interview him. If he bump 3/4 points, he will reach the mid-50 mark that I predicted for myself when I was considering my choices in this draft.

Of course, I still have doubts, if I didn't I would have offered much more to trade up. This is only theorical for me. And we all know cases like Money, or McMaster a couple of seasons ago. QBs are kind of tough to judge. So yeah, I still have hope to be completely wrong and expect that he sucks, so I don't have to regret

[Guest]

Like Edirash says, *maybe* 50s? He'll bump nice in camp, but from like 20 to 28?

Like I said, I might as well be a newbie.

[Aston]

I would say his bars are obviously masked, Jug. But yeah, it is sort of hard to figure out where his strengths will be. It seems clear that Deep/Read will drop, but still be good and maybe among his better bars. A QB with 41 sole and 29 intel is nothing to sneeze at.

So you have a solid, climbing mid or high 50s QB who isn't fazed by double coverages, has some kind of an arm, and is pretty solid in the pocket at avoiding sacks. And doesn't throw many picks.

To me that sounds like a custom-built order for a starting QB on a good team, minus the $100 million contracts that come with 70-OVR guys.

[Guest]

I would say his bars are obviously masked

'splain... by 'masked', I'm talking MalcPow matched pairs, etc. I see that they are certainly under what they will be, based on the combine. But no indication of greatness (or even good).

And no offense to Mr. Sheldon or his family.

[Guest]

A QB with 41 sole and 29 intel is nothing to sneeze at.

Ah, ok, now that certainly helps. I hadn't scouted him (figured he'd be gone).

[Guest]

Hey, this is interesting. I was talking with Aston about my QB in the USFL, Steve Reynolds, who is now 82 rated after starting his career 54 rated. I was comparing him to Sheldon at the time... But until I pulled up the extractor file I didn't realize how similar they actually were.

Very similar combines, Reynolds was slightly better overall (combine wise) although Sheldon has better accuracy and bench (46 sol, 41 intell for Reynolds, not sure how much better that is than 41/29). Still, Reynolds was nothing off the charts in terms of combines. Reynolds's masked pairs were more clear (short/accuracy looked maxed) but his sense rush only looked marginally higher than Sheldon's.

Anyhow, my thinking was Sheldon won't be 82 rated but if things fall right maybe closer to 70. Combines really do not tell the full story and if you're a pure combine drafter, you are going to miss guys.

That said, Sheldon might just be some 40 rated stiff. It wouldn't be the first time I made that mistake.

[Guest]

Wise words from Chuck above.

Even though Sheldon won't be some uberbeast QB, I would've drafted him without any reservations at that spot.

[Guest]

I'm not knocking the pick (or picker) at all, just trying to learn here. Where do you see masked pairs in Sheldon?